Quote from: Bartman on October 20, 2024, 04:56:41 PMSo, no LL team in the top 25 , which doesn't bother me except that the LL is ranked ahead of the PAC as a conference and the PAC has three 5-1 teams in the top 25(#15,18,21 and one receiving 21 votes). The PAC plays no one outside of their conference until the NCAAs. Grove City had a great team last year , so I understand the best team raises the conference, but they were just beaten by Wash&Jeff this weekend, so I'm not sure how a voter figures out how good the PAC is, especially if they are ranked below the LL. I don't care if Hobart is ranked or not, but at 5-1, I would have thought it should receive at least a few votes by somebody OR the PAC would have fewer teams ranked. Otherwise the Conference rankings make no sense. Just a thought.

The PAC's ranking really suffers from the weight of Bethany/Thiel/St.Vincent/Allegheny.  And to a somewhat lesser extent (at the moment) Geneva.  These teams are really struggling.  To draw this back to the LL, I would expect that Buff State could win 3 out of 4 of these.  Maybe all four.  The top of the PAC is better than the top of the LL this year, but the LL carries just one Buff State and the PAC has four or five Buff States.

Quote from: wally_wabash on October 21, 2024, 07:26:50 PM

Quote from: Bartman on October 20, 2024, 04:56:41 PMSo, no LL team in the top 25 , which doesn't bother me except that the LL is ranked ahead of the PAC as a conference and the PAC has three 5-1 teams in the top 25(#15,18,21 and one receiving 21 votes). The PAC plays no one outside of their conference until the NCAAs. Grove City had a great team last year , so I understand the best team raises the conference, but they were just beaten by Wash&Jeff this weekend, so I'm not sure how a voter figures out how good the PAC is, especially if they are ranked below the LL. I don't care if Hobart is ranked or not, but at 5-1, I would have thought it should receive at least a few votes by somebody OR the PAC would have fewer teams ranked. Otherwise the Conference rankings make no sense. Just a thought.

The PAC's ranking really suffers from the weight of Bethany/Thiel/St.Vincent/Allegheny.  And to a somewhat lesser extent (at the moment) Geneva.  These teams are really struggling.  To draw this back to the LL, I would expect that Buff State could win 3 out of 4 of these.  Maybe all four.  The top of the PAC is better than the top of the LL this year, but the LL carries just one Buff State and the PAC has four or five Buff States.

Wally, thanks for your thoughts. I realize the bottom of the PAC looks bad, but how do we know if the better teams are really superior to Hobart or Ithaca. I know Grove City was really good last year based on the Cortland game, but how do we make a comparison this year?

LL team of Performers of the week.

Offensive Performer of the Week: Matthew Parker, Ithaca
Defensive Performer of the Week: Jaimen Bliss, Hobart
Special Teams Player of the Week: Tobias Wefering, Hobart
Rookie of the Week: John Droggitis, Union
Honor Roll: Johnny Colombi, Hobart; Patch Flanagan, Union; Johnny Harding, Hobart; Liam Perkins, St. Lawrence; Nate Sicard, RPI; Joe Spirra, Ithaca

Quote from: Bartman on October 21, 2024, 08:52:06 PMLL team of Performers of the week.

Offensive Performer of the Week: Matthew Parker, Ithaca
Defensive Performer of the Week: Jaimen Bliss, Hobart
Special Teams Player of the Week: Tobias Wefering, Hobart
Rookie of the Week: John Droggitis, Union
Honor Roll: Johnny Colombi, Hobart; Patch Flanagan, Union; Johnny Harding, Hobart; Liam Perkins, St. Lawrence; Nate Sicard, RPI; Joe Spirra, Ithaca

Can sophomores win rookie of the week?

Quote from: Jonny Utah on October 21, 2024, 10:00:41 PM

Quote from: Bartman on October 21, 2024, 08:52:06 PMLL team of Performers of the week.

Offensive Performer of the Week: Matthew Parker, Ithaca
Defensive Performer of the Week: Jaimen Bliss, Hobart
Special Teams Player of the Week: Tobias Wefering, Hobart
Rookie of the Week: John Droggitis, Union
Honor Roll: Johnny Colombi, Hobart; Patch Flanagan, Union; Johnny Harding, Hobart; Liam Perkins, St. Lawrence; Nate Sicard, RPI; Joe Spirra, Ithaca

Can sophomores win rookie of the week?

Not sure if you're inferring that John Droggitis is not eligible because you think he's a sophomore. He's a first year who started for the first time at LB for Union Saturday. If you're just asking is a sophomore eligible? I'd guess yes if he didn't get playing time his freshman year. Anybody got anything else on this?

I can't so easliy let go of the top 25 snub this year.  No matter how the voters defend this, it really is an opinon poll/ popularity contest.  Every year starts with the voters placing the predicted front runner of all of the major conferences in the mix.  If there is a big loss they drop out (IC this year). However, I can't understand how Hobart, one loss in OT, and the leader of a power conference isn't getting at least consideration by one voter.  We can all say our conference is having a "down" year, which seems to mean IC, RPI and Union have lost games. I just don't buy the logic that the leader of the LL should be ignored.

Quote from: UfanBill on October 22, 2024, 12:01:17 AM

Quote from: Jonny Utah on October 21, 2024, 10:00:41 PM

Quote from: Bartman on October 21, 2024, 08:52:06 PMLL team of Performers of the week.

Offensive Performer of the Week: Matthew Parker, Ithaca
Defensive Performer of the Week: Jaimen Bliss, Hobart
Special Teams Player of the Week: Tobias Wefering, Hobart
Rookie of the Week: John Droggitis, Union
Honor Roll: Johnny Colombi, Hobart; Patch Flanagan, Union; Johnny Harding, Hobart; Liam Perkins, St. Lawrence; Nate Sicard, RPI; Joe Spirra, Ithaca

Can sophomores win rookie of the week?

Not sure if you're inferring that John Droggitis is not eligible because you think he's a sophomore. He's a first year who started for the first time at LB for Union Saturday. If you're just asking is a sophomore eligible? I'd guess yes if he didn't get playing time his freshman year. Anybody got anything else on this?

No I was just wondering.  Droggitis is in another line of Massachusetts Catholic Conference players doing well for Union...(Colin Lama, Ike Irabor, Dan Gioioso)

Quote from: Oline89 on October 22, 2024, 06:48:48 AMI can't so easliy let go of the top 25 snub this year.  No matter how the voters defend this, it really is an opinon poll/ popularity contest.  Every year starts with the voters placing the predicted front runner of all of the major conferences in the mix.  If there is a big loss they drop out (IC this year). However, I can't understand how Hobart, one loss in OT, and the leader of a power conference isn't getting at least consideration by one voter.  We can all say our conference is having a "down" year, which seems to mean IC, RPI and Union have lost games. I just don't buy the logic that the leader of the LL should be ignored.

Yea a lot of this probably falls on Ithaca and how they do vs. Cortland.  Bottom line they didn't do the job versus Hobart/Endicott/JHU and that's on them.  The interesting thing is that if they beat Endicott and Hobart then Hobart probably would be getting receiving votes right now or possibly ranked.   How teams are ranked at the beginning of the season has such an impact on how everyone is ranked in week 5.  I believe if the poll came out week 4 or 5 then Hobart may be ranked. 

 

Quote from: Jonny Utah on October 22, 2024, 08:12:30 AM

Quote from: Oline89 on October 22, 2024, 06:48:48 AMI can't so easliy let go of the top 25 snub this year.  No matter how the voters defend this, it really is an opinon poll/ popularity contest.  Every year starts with the voters placing the predicted front runner of all of the major conferences in the mix.  If there is a big loss they drop out (IC this year). However, I can't understand how Hobart, one loss in OT, and the leader of a power conference isn't getting at least consideration by one voter.  We can all say our conference is having a "down" year, which seems to mean IC, RPI and Union have lost games. I just don't buy the logic that the leader of the LL should be ignored.

Yea a lot of this probably falls on Ithaca and how they do vs. Cortland.  Bottom line they didn't do the job versus Hobart/Endicott/JHU and that's on them.  The interesting thing is that if they beat Endicott and Hobart then Hobart probably would be getting receiving votes right now or possibly ranked.  How teams are ranked at the beginning of the season has such an impact on how everyone is ranked in week 5.  I believe if the poll came out week 4 or 5 then Hobart may be ranked.

Ithaca and Union have always been sexier names for voters than RPI and Hobart. Hobart is 100% a top 20 team, but if Randolph-Macon and dingleBerry aren't getting into the Top 25, no way is Hobart getting there. I'm amazed how LL/E8 teams typically win some games in the playoffs every single goddamn year, but don't get any national respect until then, unless it's Cortland/Ithaca/Union. It's the struggle with having deeper and more competitive conferences. It's hard to pinpoint the top dog each year and if it isn't one of the sexy names, no votes for you.

Here's what a voter sees on Hobart's resume:

Hobart (6-1) Last week: # votes: 1 ()   
Sep. 6   7:00 PM   Alfred (3-3) •   W, 10-7
Sep. 14   12:00 PM   at Randolph-Macon (5-1) •   L, 14-7 OT
Sep. 21   1:00 PM   Moravian (4-2) •   W, 27-12
Sep. 28   12:00 PM   at Keystone (1-6) •   W, 52-9
Oct. 5   1:00 PM   Ithaca (3-3) * •   W, 16-7
Oct. 12   3:00 PM   at Buffalo State (2-4) * •   W, 31-3
Oct. 19   1:00 PM   at St. Lawrence (2-4) * •   W, 39-3
Oct. 26   1:00 PM   Union (2-4) * •   
Nov. 2   3:00 PM   at RPI (3-4) * •   
Nov. 16   1:00 PM   Rochester (5-1) * •   

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2024, 09:17:58 AMHere's what a voter sees on Hobart's resume:

Hobart (6-1) Last week: # votes: 1 ()   
Sep. 6    7:00 PM    Alfred (3-3) •    W, 10-7
Sep. 14    12:00 PM    at Randolph-Macon (5-1) •    L, 14-7 OT
Sep. 21    1:00 PM    Moravian (4-2) •    W, 27-12
Sep. 28    12:00 PM    at Keystone (1-6) •    W, 52-9
Oct. 5    1:00 PM    Ithaca (3-3) * •    W, 16-7
Oct. 12    3:00 PM    at Buffalo State (2-4) * •    W, 31-3
Oct. 19    1:00 PM    at St. Lawrence (2-4) * •    W, 39-3
Oct. 26    1:00 PM    Union (2-4) * •   
Nov. 2    3:00 PM    at RPI (3-4) * •   
Nov. 16    1:00 PM    Rochester (5-1) * •   

Here's what a voter sees on 9th ranked Endicott's resume:

9/7    at St. Lawrence(2-4) •    W, 44-13    BX
9/14    at Ithaca(3-3) •    W, 13-7    BX RC
9/21    vs. Hilbert(0-7) •    W, 58-0    BX
9/28    vs. RPI(3-4) •    W, 28-20    BX
10/5    at Hardin-Simmons(6-0) •    L, 35-27    BX
10/19    at University of New England(2-4)* •    W, 39-7    BX
The rest of the schedule is worth about as much as the gum on the bottom of a dining room table.

Endicott is such a sexy name these days. But the 9th ranked team in the country could barely beat a couple lowly LL teams. But they sure did lose the close one to Hardin-Simmons.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2024, 09:17:58 AMHere's what a voter sees on Hobart's resume:

Hobart (6-1) Last week: # votes: 1 ()   
Sep. 6   7:00 PM   Alfred (3-3) •   W, 10-7
Sep. 14   12:00 PM   at Randolph-Macon (5-1) •   L, 14-7 OT
Sep. 21   1:00 PM   Moravian (4-2) •   W, 27-12
Sep. 28   12:00 PM   at Keystone (1-6) •   W, 52-9
Oct. 5   1:00 PM   Ithaca (3-3) * •   W, 16-7
Oct. 12   3:00 PM   at Buffalo State (2-4) * •   W, 31-3
Oct. 19   1:00 PM   at St. Lawrence (2-4) * •   W, 39-3
Oct. 26   1:00 PM   Union (2-4) * •   
Nov. 2   3:00 PM   at RPI (3-4) * •   
Nov. 16   1:00 PM   Rochester (5-1) * •   

I see a team that is two feet wide left from being undefeated and has one of the top defenses in D3 and deserves your vote instead of all those PAC teams.... But I'm just a non voting homer

I see 6 friggin wins in a conference that perennially does well in the playoffs.  I agree with Mach, a decade ago Hobart was a sexy name. 

Preach!  No respect for the LL.

Quote from: Bartman on October 22, 2024, 10:15:24 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2024, 09:17:58 AMHere's what a voter sees on Hobart's resume:

Hobart (6-1) Last week: # votes: 1 ()   
Sep. 6   7:00 PM   Alfred (3-3) •   W, 10-7
Sep. 14   12:00 PM   at Randolph-Macon (5-1) •   L, 14-7 OT
Sep. 21   1:00 PM   Moravian (4-2) •   W, 27-12
Sep. 28   12:00 PM   at Keystone (1-6) •   W, 52-9
Oct. 5   1:00 PM   Ithaca (3-3) * •   W, 16-7
Oct. 12   3:00 PM   at Buffalo State (2-4) * •   W, 31-3
Oct. 19   1:00 PM   at St. Lawrence (2-4) * •   W, 39-3
Oct. 26   1:00 PM   Union (2-4) * •   
Nov. 2   3:00 PM   at RPI (3-4) * •   
Nov. 16   1:00 PM   Rochester (5-1) * •   

I see a team that is two feet wide left from being undefeated and has one of the top defenses in D3 and deserves your vote instead of all those PAC teams.... But I'm just a non voting homer

Yeah, but a voter looks and thinks, they lost to Randolph-Macon, and I'm not voting for Randolph-Macon (since 20 of 25 voters are not), so I can't vote for Hobart.

Only 5 voters have Randolph-Macon on their ballot. Of those, one has them 22nd and three have them 23rd. That doesn't leave a lot of room for Hobart at the moment.

Wheaton or Johns Hopkins could drop out but a lot of those votes would get taken up by WashU or Ursinus.