Quote from: GroundandPound on October 22, 2024, 01:22:33 PMThanks Trinity 9-0.  My apologies re: Jon Girard.  I missed him completely. Since he was a 3x ALL-NESCAC player, the failure to see him makes me want to double check all my lists.  I will do so at the end of this season since there are a few current players who may make the top five portion of the lists. I suspect he may be number 1.  I do not know how Minnow's career stats compare.

No worries. I realized the numbers at NESCAC.com don't actually match those in the Trinity record book. It appears alma mater neglected to include his freshman year stats! Based on these revised career totals below Girard is pretty clearly ahead of Minnow. Both Tomlinson and certainly Lutz could have gotten close to him if they'd stuck around the 'CAC longer but since they didn't I contend that Girard should be considered the top NESCAC WR since 2000.

Player    Games    Receptions    Yards    TDs    LONG    AVG/C   REC/G    AVG/G    Jonathan Girard 35 163 3,035 29 97 19.1 4.6 85.6 Matthew Minnow 23 125 1,953 27 77 15.9 5.5 86.2

Wow!!! Yardage is not even close.  There may be others for #2 behind Girard.

Quote from: mhoncho123 on October 22, 2024, 10:31:30 AM

Quote from: Nescacman on October 21, 2024, 10:56:03 PM

Quote from: VoodooDoc on October 21, 2024, 10:19:58 PMThe quality of the officials in the NESCAC is somewhat better this year. The glaring exceptions were the blatant missed calls in the Wesleyan Bowdoin game.  The video shows that Poy's return of the fumble was called a incomplete pass when the throw in question was clearly a lateral.  The SEC has the best refs in the country and the number 1 squad missed the interference call in the Texas Georgia game. Thank goodness the call was reversed.  Unfortunately, the NFL refs who had the experience to make calls have retired and the idiots in strips are so reliant on replays and calls from NFL headquarters, they can't make a call 5 feet in front of their faces.  The NESCAC refs on Saturday don't have replay or common sense, and the blew the fumble call by a mile.  These refs need to be better trained.  All the players in the NESCAC deserve to have their games called fairly and professionally.  That clearly did not happen on Saturday.

We were at the game in Brunswick on Saturday. Voodoo, you mentioned "missed calls" in your Post using the plural form of the word "call", yet you only mentioned one "call" that you thought the officials missed. What were the other "calls"?

As far as the "call" in question, we were standing right on the line where the play happened and it looked like a forward pass to us. Yes, we root for the Cards, but we call it like it is. Similar play when Wes played at Hamilton this year. The refs called that a backward pass (plus the Wes defender was down by contact) and that ended up being the deciding TD for the Cards. Now that was a bad call.

We give the Polars credit for playing hard. Their defense gave the Wes offense all they could handle including 8 sacks. But blaming the loss on the officials is just plain wrong. The officiating on Saturday in Brunswick was actually pretty good considering it's Maine which is renowned for home cooking. We have definitely seen worse this year. Sounds a bit like sour grapes to us. Maybe if the Polars were better on 3rd down (3 for 12) or 4th down (0 for 2) and could pass the ball better (9 for 25 with a pick), we wouldn't be having this conversation. 

Nesecacman,

I wasn't able to catch the Wesleyan/Bowdoin game in real time, but right after I woke up on Monday, I went to Golden Corral at around 2:00pm to conduct my film study. For my film study the Wesleyan/Bowdoin game was 2nd in the queue, only after the 2010 Boise St/Nevada game. Unfortunately, I agree with your take. Officiating was fair by my standards, and blaming the officials on a lost is never a good look, but hard to expect much more from a Bowdoin football fan. From my experience, Wesleyan is typically successful at infiltrating and coercing referees, so it was pleasant to not see that take place on Saturday. I commend the strength of the Maine referees.

Still finishing up my film review from some other teams in the league. I expect to finish up my review of every game this past weekend soon. I don't plan on reviewing the Amherst/Colby game, however. I would rather be sentenced to 20 years of hard labor in the gulag than have to watch that pitiful Amherst offense anymore.

- Honcho, NESCAC Legend

Mr. JV Legend,

Nice to see we concur on the officiating discussion.

Frankly, given that you earn "nearly six figures", we were a bit surprised and disappointed by your restaurant choice, Golden Corral. We would have had you pegged for something much more upscale like Olive Garden or Red Lobster. Is Golden Corral the "official" restaurant of the JV Legend weekly film study session?

NM

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1). Wesleyan Cardinals (Record: 5-1; Last Week Rank: 2; 7 first place votes): Wesleyan moves into our #1 spot based on Middlebury's upset of Hartford State, Wesleyan's 5th win of the year against the Polars on the road, and Wesleyan's large win over Middlebury in Vermont in Week #1. Wesleyan always seems to have a tough time playing at Bowdoin and this year was no exception. The Wesleyan defense is very good and leads the NESCAC in many categories including scoring defense and yards allowed. The offense has been inconsistent. At times they have looked spectacular and at other times, they have struggled. Overall, it was a gutsy come from behind win in Brunswick. Wes travels to Amherst to face the Lord Mammoths in the first Little 3 contest of 2024.

2). Middlebury (Record: 5-1; Last Week Rank: 3; 3 first place votes): Middlebury beats the mighty Bantams to end Hartford State's latest winning streak at 9 games. Pants win keeps them in the race for a 2nd consecutive NESCAC title. QB Brian Moran had a career day for MID. MID travels to Lewiston this week to face the Frisky Kitties.

3). Hartford State Bantams (Record: 5-1; Last Week Rank: 1;): The Bantams lose for the second straight year to Middlebury and drop out of our top spot. Middlebury has now beaten the Bantams in back-to-back seasons, the first team to do that since Williams did it in 2019 and 2021. Hartford State will try to get back on the winning track hosting Bowdoin this week in The Coop.

4). Williams Purple Cows (Record: 4-2; Last Week Rank: 4): Williams squeaks by and holds on for the win against UBates. The Kitties outgained the Ephs. K Ivan Shuran's 47-yard FG was the difference. Williams hosts Tufts in a NESCAC elimination game in Williamstown this week.

5). Tufts Jumbo's (Record: 4-2; Last Week Rank: 5): Tufts eeks out a win against the winless Continentals in Medford. Hamilton outgained and out first downed the Jumbo's. At this point in the season, we think it's safe to say that Michael Berlutti misses Phil Lutz, Jaden Richardson and Chartellis Reece. This week Tufts travels to Williamstown to face the upstart Ephs.

6). Colby Mules (Record: 2-4; Last Week Rank: 6): The Mules blow out the Lord Mammoths exploding for 38 points. Defense hold the Amherst to 7 points, -3 yards rushing (on 17 carries), and 131 yards of total offense. LB Julian Young excelled for The Mules on defense. The week The Mules travel to Clinton to face Hamilton .

7). Bowdoin Polar Bears (Record: 2-4; Last Week Rank: 7): Bowdoin put up a good fight in losing to Wesleyan at home in a defensive battle. Bowdoin had 8 sacks (a Bowdoin program record?) against Wesleyan following up on 7 sacks the previous week. Held Wesleyan star WR Chase Wilson to 61 yards on 4 catches. Bowdoin travels to Hartford to face the Bantams.

8). University of Bates Bobcats (Lewiston Campus) (Record: 1-5; Last Week Rank: 9): The Frisky Kitties come up just short against Wiliams. Colton Bosselait tossed 2 TDs and Ryan Lynskey ran for a career high 126 yards. UBates actually threw 21 passes in this game and the more-balanced attack seemed to keep the Ephs off balance. The Kitties host Middlebury this week in Maine as UBates tries to play spoiler in the NESCAC standings.

9). Amherst Lord Mammoths (Record: 2-4; Last Week Rank: 8): A new low for the Lord Mammoths losing to Colby on the road. Amherst has now lost four straight games in 2024. This is the fourth year in a row that Colby has beaten the Lord Mammoths. The LM offense struggled once again following up a 1 net rushing yard (on 24 attempts) week last week, with -3 rushing yards (on 17 attempts) this week. Amherst only had 131 yards of total offense and 9 first downs. The defense was not much better this week in allowing Colby to score 38 points. The Lord Mammoths are second to last in the country rushing offense. Amherst hosts Wesleyan this week in the first of the 2024 Little 3 games. Wesleyan is trying to three-peat in the Little 3 for the first time since 1946-1948.

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Quote from: Nescacman on October 22, 2024, 02:43:29 PM

Quote from: mhoncho123 on October 22, 2024, 10:31:30 AM

Quote from: Nescacman on October 21, 2024, 10:56:03 PM

Quote from: VoodooDoc on October 21, 2024, 10:19:58 PMThe quality of the officials in the NESCAC is somewhat better this year. The glaring exceptions were the blatant missed calls in the Wesleyan Bowdoin game.  The video shows that Poy's return of the fumble was called a incomplete pass when the throw in question was clearly a lateral.  The SEC has the best refs in the country and the number 1 squad missed the interference call in the Texas Georgia game. Thank goodness the call was reversed.  Unfortunately, the NFL refs who had the experience to make calls have retired and the idiots in strips are so reliant on replays and calls from NFL headquarters, they can't make a call 5 feet in front of their faces.  The NESCAC refs on Saturday don't have replay or common sense, and the blew the fumble call by a mile.  These refs need to be better trained.  All the players in the NESCAC deserve to have their games called fairly and professionally.  That clearly did not happen on Saturday.

We were at the game in Brunswick on Saturday. Voodoo, you mentioned "missed calls" in your Post using the plural form of the word "call", yet you only mentioned one "call" that you thought the officials missed. What were the other "calls"?

As far as the "call" in question, we were standing right on the line where the play happened and it looked like a forward pass to us. Yes, we root for the Cards, but we call it like it is. Similar play when Wes played at Hamilton this year. The refs called that a backward pass (plus the Wes defender was down by contact) and that ended up being the deciding TD for the Cards. Now that was a bad call.

We give the Polars credit for playing hard. Their defense gave the Wes offense all they could handle including 8 sacks. But blaming the loss on the officials is just plain wrong. The officiating on Saturday in Brunswick was actually pretty good considering it's Maine which is renowned for home cooking. We have definitely seen worse this year. Sounds a bit like sour grapes to us. Maybe if the Polars were better on 3rd down (3 for 12) or 4th down (0 for 2) and could pass the ball better (9 for 25 with a pick), we wouldn't be having this conversation. 

Nesecacman,

I wasn't able to catch the Wesleyan/Bowdoin game in real time, but right after I woke up on Monday, I went to Golden Corral at around 2:00pm to conduct my film study. For my film study the Wesleyan/Bowdoin game was 2nd in the queue, only after the 2010 Boise St/Nevada game. Unfortunately, I agree with your take. Officiating was fair by my standards, and blaming the officials on a lost is never a good look, but hard to expect much more from a Bowdoin football fan. From my experience, Wesleyan is typically successful at infiltrating and coercing referees, so it was pleasant to not see that take place on Saturday. I commend the strength of the Maine referees.

Still finishing up my film review from some other teams in the league. I expect to finish up my review of every game this past weekend soon. I don't plan on reviewing the Amherst/Colby game, however. I would rather be sentenced to 20 years of hard labor in the gulag than have to watch that pitiful Amherst offense anymore.

- Honcho, NESCAC Legend

Mr. JV Legend,

Nice to see we concur on the officiating discussion.

Frankly, given that you earn "nearly six figures", we were a bit surprised and disappointed by your restaurant choice, Golden Corral. We would have had you pegged for something much more upscale like Olive Garden or Red Lobster. Is Golden Corral the "official" restaurant of the JV Legend weekly film study session?

NM

Nescacman,

You are correct. I do have a comfortable salary nearing 6 figures along with benefits. One of these benefits is 12 paid vacation days per year. I used one of these days on Monday in order to give my body some rest from the weekend.

I don't exactly see your issue with Golden Corral. Just because I am a member of the ultra wealthy doesn't mean Golden Corral is beneath me. You obviously have never seen their lunch buffet before. I used to frequent PF Changs more than anywhere. But they took Coors Lite of tap, and I had a slight disagreement with management, so I no longer breakdown film there. I also don't have "weekly" film sessions. Between 9am-5pm Monday-Friday, my film sessions are more hourly than anything.

As I've said before, please don't refer to me as "JV Legend" anymore. This extremely disrespectful, and I request you refer to me with the respect I deserve.

- Honcho, NESCAC Legend

Quote from: GroundandPound on October 22, 2024, 10:07:55 AMThis was my list of top NESCAC WRs from this blog in July of this year based mostly on All Conference Honors .
(My recollection when I did these lists for each position group, I would indicate "2nd" next to the year if the player earned Second Team All-NESCAC in a given year – but I am not 100% sure I did that with every position group).  I did not have #82 on this list but should have based on his dominance in 2023 alone.  The lower stats this year, as discussed recently on this board, are most likely due to the different strengths of the Trinity QBs from year to year, and the play calling to maximize the strengths of the offense.  I do not know him, or any Trinity players for that matter, but I suspect the only thing they care about is winning championships.   Thankfully, Midd's corners and safeties did an outstanding job defending several deep balls thrown to #82.  Absent several amazing defensive plays on deep balls thrown to #82, we are not having this discussion.    


#82  2022 2nd,  2023:
2022 5th in yds per game 49 receptions; 720 yards; 4TDs; 80yds per game 
2023 1st in yds per game (128) (over 25 yds more than next WR); 1st in receptions (73) (nearly 20 more receptions per game than next WR); 1st total yards 1,159 yards (over 200 yds more than next WR); 1st in TDs (14) 
2024 Ongoing

Top 5 NESCAC Receivers 2000-2024
Minno Midd 2013, 2014, 2015
Tomlinson Wesleyan 2021, 2022
Banky Midd 2016, 2017, 2018 2nd
Lutz Tufts 2021, 2022
Richardson Tufts 2023

Noyes Colby 2000, 2001
Smith Midd 2001, 2002
Moffeit Wesleyan 2002, 2003
Wagstaff Amherst 2003, 2004
Drenkhahn Williams 2005, 2006
Fulmer Williams 2005, 2006
Hannon Amherst 2005, 2006
Matson Midd 2007, 2008
Noone Bowdoin 2009, 2010
Hartwell Williams 2010, 2011
O'Malley Amherst 2012, 2013
Viera Trinity 2015, 2016
Breuler Wesleyan 2016, 2017
Stola Williams 2018, 2019

G&P

Great job on your list.

One guy you missed was James O'Regan Amherst 2018, 2019 - He's was a big physical receiver who drew serious NFL attention. Believe he signed an NFL FA deal. Amerherst aerial capabilities were not great during his years so his stats may not have been as good as they would have been elsewhere but he was a stud.

A couple of other guys who were fine receivers but flew under the radar despite 2 years of all conference recognition.
Joe Schmidt Hamilton 2017, 2018 all conference in his Sophomore and Jr years. missed Sr year due to injury.
Mark Riley Bates 2014, 2015

Quote from: lumbercat on October 22, 2024, 04:33:11 PM

Quote from: GroundandPound on October 22, 2024, 10:07:55 AMThis was my list of top NESCAC WRs from this blog in July of this year based mostly on All Conference Honors .
(My recollection when I did these lists for each position group, I would indicate "2nd" next to the year if the player earned Second Team All-NESCAC in a given year – but I am not 100% sure I did that with every position group).  I did not have #82 on this list but should have based on his dominance in 2023 alone.  The lower stats this year, as discussed recently on this board, are most likely due to the different strengths of the Trinity QBs from year to year, and the play calling to maximize the strengths of the offense.  I do not know him, or any Trinity players for that matter, but I suspect the only thing they care about is winning championships.  Thankfully, Midd's corners and safeties did an outstanding job defending several deep balls thrown to #82.  Absent several amazing defensive plays on deep balls thrown to #82, we are not having this discussion.   


#82  2022 2nd,  2023:
2022 5th in yds per game 49 receptions; 720 yards; 4TDs; 80yds per game 
2023 1st in yds per game (128) (over 25 yds more than next WR); 1st in receptions (73) (nearly 20 more receptions per game than next WR); 1st total yards 1,159 yards (over 200 yds more than next WR); 1st in TDs (14) 
2024 Ongoing

Top 5 NESCAC Receivers 2000-2024
Minno Midd 2013, 2014, 2015
Tomlinson Wesleyan 2021, 2022
Banky Midd 2016, 2017, 2018 2nd
Lutz Tufts 2021, 2022
Richardson Tufts 2023

Noyes Colby 2000, 2001
Smith Midd 2001, 2002
Moffeit Wesleyan 2002, 2003
Wagstaff Amherst 2003, 2004
Drenkhahn Williams 2005, 2006
Fulmer Williams 2005, 2006
Hannon Amherst 2005, 2006
Matson Midd 2007, 2008
Noone Bowdoin 2009, 2010
Hartwell Williams 2010, 2011
O'Malley Amherst 2012, 2013
Viera Trinity 2015, 2016
Breuler Wesleyan 2016, 2017
Stola Williams 2018, 2019

G&P

Great job on your list.

One guy you missed was James O'Regan Amherst 2018, 2019 - He's was a big physical receiver who drew serious NFL attention. Believe he signed an NFL FA deal. Amerherst aerial capabilities were not great during his years so his stats may not have been as good as they would have been elsewhere but he was a stud.

A couple of other guys who were fine receivers but flew under the radar despite 2 years of all conference recognition.
Joe Schmidt Hamilton 2017, 2018 all conference in his Sophomore and Jr years. missed Sr year due to injury.
Mark Riley Bates 2014, 2015

We concur...great job G&P. +1 for you (dating ourselves here).

Of course, if you go back a few more years into the 90's, Wesleyan's Matt Perceval would have to be in the mix. We believe he still holds the NCAA single game TD reception record with 7. And congratulations to him on his induction into the Wesleyan Athletics Hall of Fame on November 1st (Homecoming Weekend).

Quote from: GroundandPound on October 22, 2024, 02:16:22 PMWow!!! Yardage is not even close.  There may be others for #2 behind Girard.

Well, I went down a rabbit hole and ended up tracking down every NESCAC receiver to amass over 2,000 career receiving yards since the league formed in 1970. I've bolded the yardage leader from each school. The list includes 9 players from Trinity, 4 from Middlebury, 3 from Wesleyan, 2 from Tufts and one apiece from Amherst, Colby, Hamilton and Williams (no one from Bowdoin has reached the milestone).

Player    Rec    Yards    TDs    Jon Girard (Trinity 2017-'21) 163 3,035 29 Matt Perceval (Wesleyan 1996-'99) 166 2,879 36 Jon Troy (Tufts 1996-'99) 184 2,511 12 Danny Noyes (Colby 1998-'01) 164 2,466 ? Tom McDavitt (Trinity 1991-'94) 150 2,364 21 Freddie Scott (Amherst 1971-'73) 143 2,336 27 Tim McNamara (Trinity 1981-'84) 146 2,313 19 Ron Duckett (Trinity 1970-'73) 154 2,289 19 Pat McNamara (Trinity 1976-'79) 141 2,280 20 Phil Lutz (Tufts 2021-'22) 154 2,273 18 Zach Driscoll (Middlebury 2009-'12) 172 2,257 29 Fred Colman (Hamilton  1984-'87) 130 2,250 26 Donovan Wood (Middlebury 2020-'23) 131 2,246 19 Sean Clapp (Trinity 2021-Present) 151* 2,220* 21* Koby Schofer (Trinity 2016-'19) 134 2,159 23 Conrado Banky (Middlebury 2015-'18) 133 2,156 23 Larry DiGiammarino (Bates 1978-'81) 151 2,123 17 Frank Stola (Williams 2017-'21) 142 2,123 29 Matt Minno (Middlebury 2012-'15) 136 2,093 30 Terry McNamara (Trinity 1986-'89) 157 2,091 16 Mike Breuler (Wesleyan 2014-'17) 165 2,049 18 Pat Moffett (Wesleyan 2000-'03) 106 2,036 13 DeVante Reid (Trinity 2018-'22) 127 2,026 21 Given his absurd TD numbers and the fact that he played in 3 fewer games than Girard I'm giving the nod to Perceval as the All-Time NESCAC Wide Receiver G.O.A.T. Shoutout to the Jumbos' Jon Troy for that reception total but how did he only score 12 TDs?! If anyone from Colby knows how many career receiving TDs Danny Noyes had please feel free to update. *Notes active player.

Quote from: Trin9-0 on October 22, 2024, 05:06:24 PM

Quote from: GroundandPound on October 22, 2024, 02:16:22 PMWow!!! Yardage is not even close.  There may be others for #2 behind Girard.

Well, I went down a rabbit hole and ended up tracking down every NESCAC receiver to amass over 2,000 career receiving yards since the league formed in 1970. I've bolded the yardage leader from each school. The list includes 9 players from Trinity, 4 from Middlebury, 3 from Wesleyan, 2 from Tufts and one apiece from Amherst, Colby, and Williams (no one from Bowdoin or Hamilton has reached the milestone).

Player    Rec    Yards    TDs    Jon Girard (Trinity 2017-'21) 163 3,035 29 Matt Perceval (Wesleyan 1996-'99) 166 2,879 36 Jon Troy (Tufts 1996-'99) 184 2,511 12 Danny Noyes (Colby 1998-'01) 164 2,466 ? Tom McDavitt (Trinity 1991-'94) 150 2,364 21 Freddie Scott (Amherst 1971-'73) 143 2,336 27 Tim McNamara (Trinity 1981-'84) 146 2,313 19 Ron Duckett (Trinity 1970-'73) 154 2,289 19 Pat McNamara (Trinity 1976-'79) 141 2,280 20 Phil Lutz (Tufts 2021-'22) 154 2,273 18 Zach Driscoll (Middlebury 2009-'12) 172 2,257 29 Donovan Wood (Middlebury 2020-'23) 131 2,246 19 Sean Clapp (Trinity 2021-Present) 151* 2,220* 21* Koby Schofer (Trinity 2016-'19) 134 2,159 23 Conrado Banky (Middlebury 2015-'18) 133 2,156 23 Larry DiGiammarino (Bates 1978-'81) 151 2,123 17 Frank Stola (Williams 2017-'21) 142 2,123 29 Matt Minno (Middlebury 2012-'15) 136 2,093 30 Terry McNamara (Trinity 1986-'89) 157 2,091 16 Mike Breuler (Wesleyan 2014-'17) 165 2,049 18 Pat Moffett (Wesleyan 2000-'03) 106 2,036 13 DeVante Reid (Trinity 2018-'22) 127 2,026 21 Given his absurd TD numbers and the fact that he played in 3 fewer games than Girard I'm giving the nod to Perceval as the All-Time NESCAC Wide Receiver G.O.A.T. Shoutout to the Jumbos' Jon Troy for that reception total but how did he only score 12 TDs?! If anyone from Colby knows how many career receiving TDs Danny Noyes had please feel free to update. *Notes active player.

No complaints from us. Since we're close to Matt, he will definitely get the message...

Only thing I'll chime in with is using the stats for WRs is a very imperfect exercise in my opinion because the gap between the great passing and good passing offenses is massive, as is the good passing offenses and the bad passing defenses. For example, teams with truly great throwing QBs and great OLs could really rack up stats against bad teams. I would prefer not to bring my Williams bias into this but as its the example I know best, Williams couldn't have sat back in the shotgun and slung it deep to Stola 15 times a game if they wanted to. Maimaron didn't have the arm talent and the OL wasn't built to pass protect for 2+ seconds.

I hate to be an eye test guy but given that so many of those stats were racked up against teams that just simply couldn't defend the pass, I will just say that in the last 10 years I thought the best receiver I saw was Mike Breuler from Wesleyan. He was uncoverable in short, medium, and deep routes and was a monster after the catch for good measure.

Not to take shots at any individual players or lists either but there is just no way Lutz and Richardson are both in the top 5. Great players but definitely not both top 5, they benefited from a stud QB and getting to play off of each other. But there's just no way 2 of the best 5 WRs of the decade played for a team that went 6-3.

Quote from: Trin9-0 on October 22, 2024, 05:06:24 PM

Quote from: GroundandPound on October 22, 2024, 02:16:22 PMWow!!! Yardage is not even close.  There may be others for #2 behind Girard.

Well, I went down a rabbit hole and ended up tracking down every NESCAC receiver to amass over 2,000 career receiving yards since the league formed in 1970. I've bolded the yardage leader from each school. The list includes 9 players from Trinity, 4 from Middlebury, 3 from Wesleyan, 2 from Tufts and one apiece from Amherst, Colby, and Williams (no one from Bowdoin or Hamilton has reached the milestone).

Player    Rec    Yards    TDs    Jon Girard (Trinity 2017-'21) 163 3,035 29 Matt Perceval (Wesleyan 1996-'99) 166 2,879 36 Jon Troy (Tufts 1996-'99) 184 2,511 12 Danny Noyes (Colby 1998-'01) 164 2,466 ? Tom McDavitt (Trinity 1991-'94) 150 2,364 21 Freddie Scott (Amherst 1971-'73) 143 2,336 27 Tim McNamara (Trinity 1981-'84) 146 2,313 19 Ron Duckett (Trinity 1970-'73) 154 2,289 19 Pat McNamara (Trinity 1976-'79) 141 2,280 20 Phil Lutz (Tufts 2021-'22) 154 2,273 18 Zach Driscoll (Middlebury 2009-'12) 172 2,257 29 Donovan Wood (Middlebury 2020-'23) 131 2,246 19 Sean Clapp (Trinity 2021-Present) 151* 2,220* 21* Koby Schofer (Trinity 2016-'19) 134 2,159 23 Conrado Banky (Middlebury 2015-'18) 133 2,156 23 Larry DiGiammarino (Bates 1978-'81) 151 2,123 17 Frank Stola (Williams 2017-'21) 142 2,123 29 Matt Minno (Middlebury 2012-'15) 136 2,093 30 Terry McNamara (Trinity 1986-'89) 157 2,091 16 Mike Breuler (Wesleyan 2014-'17) 165 2,049 18 Pat Moffett (Wesleyan 2000-'03) 106 2,036 13 DeVante Reid (Trinity 2018-'22) 127 2,026 21 Given his absurd TD numbers and the fact that he played in 3 fewer games than Girard I'm giving the nod to Perceval as the All-Time NESCAC Wide Receiver G.O.A.T. Shoutout to the Jumbos' Jon Troy for that reception total but how did he only score 12 TDs?! If anyone from Colby knows how many career receiving TDs Danny Noyes had please feel free to update. *Notes active player.

Trin 9-0, Great list. Thanks for sharing. Would be interesting to see how many games each receiver played in as well. I know Lutz put those numbers up in only 18 games and Wood in 27 games. Driscoll only played in 28 games during his Panthers career which makes his stats remarkable as well. Jamin from Middlebury is about 200 yards away from the 2,000 mark and Wilson from Wesleyan is about 300 too. Not sure if any other active receivers are closing in. - Honcho, NESCAC Legend

Hah SpringSt I was about to post that I thought Brueler was the best I've seen, but wasn't trusting my memory.  Yes, that dude was unstoppable, such a physical presence, and I don't recall elite talent around him to take defensive attention away the way a lot of these other guys had. 

Also agree that Stola would have put up monster stats in a pass-heavy system. 

So let me get this straight... 4-1 Middlebury beats an undefeated Trinity and yet you, assumingly with a straight face, are able to convince yourself that Wesleyan is the current top team in the league? The same Wesleyan that lost to a winless Bates (your #8 team), had to come back against a one win at the time Colby (#6) and gave up a staggering EIGHT sacks and had to come back to win against 2-3 Bowdoin (#7)? I get being a homer, but your own rankings don't agree with themselves.

Quote from: Nescacman on October 22, 2024, 02:49:29 PM

2024 NESCACMAN Week 6 Power Rankings

1). Wesleyan Cardinals (Record: 5-1; Last Week Rank: 2; 7 first place votes): Wesleyan moves into our #1 spot based on Middlebury's upset of Hartford State, Wesleyan's 5th win of the year against the Polars on the road, and Wesleyan's large win over Middlebury in Vermont in Week #1. Wesleyan always seems to have a tough time playing at Bowdoin and this year was no exception. The Wesleyan defense is very good and leads the NESCAC in many categories including scoring defense and yards allowed. The offense has been inconsistent. At times they have looked spectacular and at other times, they have struggled. Overall, it was a gutsy come from behind win in Brunswick. Wes travels to Amherst to face the Lord Mammoths in the first Little 3 contest of 2024.

Quote from: Scoops on October 22, 2024, 09:04:46 PMSo let me get this straight... 4-1 Middlebury beats an undefeated Trinity and yet you, assumingly with a straight face, are able to convince yourself that Wesleyan is the current top team in the league? The same Wesleyan that lost to a winless Bates (your #8 team), had to come back against a one win at the time Colby (#6) and gave up a staggering EIGHT sacks and had to come back to win against 2-3 Bowdoin (#7)? I get being a homer, but your own rankings don't agree with themselves.

Quote from: Nescacman on October 22, 2024, 02:49:29 PM

2024 NESCACMAN Week 6 Power Rankings

1). Wesleyan Cardinals (Record: 5-1; Last Week Rank: 2; 7 first place votes): Wesleyan moves into our #1 spot based on Middlebury's upset of Hartford State, Wesleyan's 5th win of the year against the Polars on the road, and Wesleyan's large win over Middlebury in Vermont in Week #1. Wesleyan always seems to have a tough time playing at Bowdoin and this year was no exception. The Wesleyan defense is very good and leads the NESCAC in many categories including scoring defense and yards allowed. The offense has been inconsistent. At times they have looked spectacular and at other times, they have struggled. Overall, it was a gutsy come from behind win in Brunswick. Wes travels to Amherst to face the Lord Mammoths in the first Little 3 contest of 2024.

Scoops,

Agreed. Middlebury has gotten better. Wesleyan has gotten worse. If the two were to play today, my preliminary modeling suggests it would be Panthers -16.5, and that seems generous for the Cardinals. Middlebury is by far playing the best football, and is clearly the top team in the league. Hard to justify a team that lost to Bates being in the 1 spot.

- Honcho, NESCAC Legend

As a Middlebury fan, I don't mind Wesleyan being in the top spot of the rankings for now. If head to head doesn't matter, why play the games.

That being said, I completely agree that Middlebury has been playing great football and that Wesleyan is trending in the wrong direction. The Middlebury offense and specifically QB Brian Moran are looking better and better each week, and I think it was a little unlucky for the Panthers to face what is clearly a good Wesleyan defense in Moran's first ever start at QB. I would certainly be interested to see a Middlebury/Wesleyan rematch, but as we know, that's not how the NESCAC works, for better or worse.

I also do think Wesleyan will likely lose again, potentially to the Purple Cows and probably at Trinity. (They shouldn't have much trouble this week, I don't know if Amherst will even score.) Another Cardinal loss would of course make the week 1 result a moot point if Middlebury continues to win.

I think us Panther fans should be content with our very plausible path to another ring, and we can let the final three games dictate what the rankings ultimately look like.