Quote from: stlawus on October 29, 2024, 02:00:34 AMI really don't know, being the first year of NPI there's no way to know how the numbers will move the last two weeks. The 10 win threshold helps a team with no remaining games against bottom tier teams which is the case for SLU right now, and the dials set to heavily emphasize SOS is also favorable in these conditions. If I were a betting man I'd say it's too little too late, but given the extremely volatile swings just this past week I won't count anything out yet.

With the 10 win threshold that SLU has reached, does that mean a Plattsburg win will then remove the win over Canton, raising significantly the avg NPI score? And I assume a PK loss in the final of the LL tournament is treated as a tie? In this case, if my calculations are correct, they would move up to 32nd (assuming all other teams stay the same). So there is a scenario where they could possibly get an at large bid. But we know that if they win two games in the LL tourney, they are in. Vassar sure dropped a lot and are now out of Pool C at this moment.

I didn't understand the penalty kick. Seemed like red incident was after goalie had ball smothered in the ground. Looks like they will lose Reddish for a game or two. And that's the end of any pool C hopes.

It was most assuredly a card worthy offense, but typical after play yellow card worthy antics, not a red in my view but borderline enough that it' s not the worst call in the world.  However, the referee missed the Plattsburgh player commit an equally egregious offense right before which is why they got bailed out with the call that was made.  Regardless, it did not affect the field of play as the keeper had already had control of the ball and occurred after the play was over.  The offense wasn't a result of Plattsburgh creating anything.   I like to think I normally can make unbiased officiating observations, but I can see how someone can think this is my partisan leaning showing.   SLU-Plattburgh used to mean something so I'd like to see Plattsburgh play SLU with their full team for once, hopefully that game gets scheduled earlier in the season next year.

We'll see how much NPI actually moves after this week for other teams so this could likely have been academic in the end even if they won.   One thing I've come to appreciate about Tosh is how he keeps the sideline under control and doesn't do any theatrics towards the opposing team.  I've seen the opposite happen with several programs I've normally had a lot of respect for in recent years, including today. 

Quote from: Saint_Dad on October 29, 2024, 10:49:06 AM

Quote from: stlawus on October 29, 2024, 02:00:34 AMI really don't know, being the first year of NPI there's no way to know how the numbers will move the last two weeks. The 10 win threshold helps a team with no remaining games against bottom tier teams which is the case for SLU right now, and the dials set to heavily emphasize SOS is also favorable in these conditions. If I were a betting man I'd say it's too little too late, but given the extremely volatile swings just this past week I won't count anything out yet.

With the 10 win threshold that SLU has reached, does that mean a Plattsburg win will then remove the win over Canton, raising significantly the avg NPI score? And I assume a PK loss in the final of the LL tournament is treated as a tie? In this case, if my calculations are correct, they would move up to 32nd (assuming all other teams stay the same). So there is a scenario where they could possibly get an at large bid. But we know that if they win two games in the LL tourney, they are in. Vassar sure dropped a lot and are now out of Pool C at this moment.

Been meaning to deconstruct this NPI calc for awhile so used this as a test case.  In short I failed but got close? 

SLU NPI Google Sheet

First approach I followed the D3 datacast video https://d3datacast.com/2024/08/12/npi-qa-episode-83-supplement/  The limitation was Hoops doesn't have ties so not sure how those work and took some liberties there.

Second approach was a literal interpretation of the NCAA FAQ https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/committees/d3/champs/D3CC_SelectionCriteriaDatabaseFAQ.pdf and the NCAA Men's power index https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/soccer/d3/men/2023-24D3MSO_NPI.pdf

With a record of 8-2-4 I didn't have to mess with removing games over 10, at least I don't think.  But again wasn't sure about one win and 2 ties with teams above the QWB floor of 54.  Especially since the NCAA stats table shows 0 for QWB points?

I'm not sure if there are any step by step guides but it should not be difficult to make one.  When working with averages one step out of sequence can dramatically change the results.  If anyone sees a flaw in my calcs please let me know.

Incidentally if I replace the Canton NPI on here with Plattsburgh's, the calculated NPIs increase to 54.8 which would be good enough for 48th on the overall table.  But I think this is dangerous when all of the other NPIs reset next week.

If I were to guess I figured that's about where the highest range which is clearly not a pool C spot, thanks for that!

A very undermanned Hobart team tied #23 Buffalo State today who is regular season champion of SUNYAC. 4-0-1 in last 5 while missing key pieces.

Outshot them too.  Hobart still has a good amount of talent and one of the best coaches, it's not a shock to see them get that result given the heater they've been on.  SLU will need every player on their A game Saturday because Hobart is no doubt going to bring it.

Quote from: stlawus on October 29, 2024, 05:59:34 PMIt was most assuredly a card worthy offense, but typical after play yellow card worthy antics, not a red in my view but borderline enough that it' s not the worst call in the world.  However, the referee missed the Plattsburgh player commit an equally egregious offense right before which is why they got bailed out with the call that was made.  Regardless, it did not affect the field of play as the keeper had already had control of the ball and occurred after the play was over.  The offense wasn't a result of Plattsburgh creating anything.   I like to think I normally can make unbiased officiating observations, but I can see how someone can think this is my partisan leaning showing.   SLU-Plattburgh used to mean something so I'd like to see Plattsburgh play SLU with their full team for once, hopefully that game gets scheduled earlier in the season next year.

We'll see how much NPI actually moves after this week for other teams so this could likely have been academic in the end even if they won.   One thing I've come to appreciate about Tosh is how he keeps the sideline under control and doesn't do any theatrics towards the opposing team.  I've seen the opposite happen with several programs I've normally had a lot of respect for in recent years, including today. 

Platts. Supporter perspective here...I agree call was not Red worthy and that it looked like play was over but I saw it live and not looked at the video yet.

This was a great soccer match to watch, very good play by both squads.

SLU was on a higher level play than Platts first 10-15 min of match. Platts grew into the match. Second half was all Platts..

Platts GK (their backup GK) made an error on SLU goal it was great service by SLU into the box but the GK hesitated then called for it and whiffed.

I did not think there was a foul on the GK who slid out and stopped shot then caught the SLU player who went over sliding GK, just a soccer play


Platts sat three players out - their Starting GK a forward and a MF who started the non-conference matches, both field players with 4 yellows.

I agree seeing these teams with full squads would be a great match. I knew from reading this board they had good offensive players, however I thought the SLU back line played really well, big, strong but good soccer players.

My first time at SLU very  nice pitch and complex. Announcer was great as well.

Quote from: stlawus on October 29, 2024, 07:10:11 PMOutshot them too.  Hobart still has a good amount of talent and one of the best coaches, it's not a shock to see them get that result given the heater they've been on.  SLU will need every player on their A game Saturday because Hobart is no doubt going to bring it.

It might not be the most talented Hobart team but Coach Griffin has them believing again.They are absolutely pumped for a run starting in Canton this Saturday.

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Quote from: stlawus on October 29, 2024, 05:59:34 PMIt was most assuredly a card worthy offense, but typical after play yellow card worthy antics, not a red in my view but borderline enough that it' s not the worst call in the world.  However, the referee missed the Plattsburgh player commit an equally egregious offense right before which is why they got bailed out with the call that was made.  Regardless, it did not affect the field of play as the keeper had already had control of the ball and occurred after the play was over.  The offense wasn't a result of Plattsburgh creating anything.   I like to think I normally can make unbiased officiating observations, but I can see how someone can think this is my partisan leaning showing.   SLU-Plattburgh used to mean something so I'd like to see Plattsburgh play SLU with their full team for once, hopefully that game gets scheduled earlier in the season next year.

We'll see how much NPI actually moves after this week for other teams so this could likely have been academic in the end even if they won.   One thing I've come to appreciate about Tosh is how he keeps the sideline under control and doesn't do any theatrics towards the opposing team.  I've seen the opposite happen with several programs I've normally had a lot of respect for in recent years, including today. 

Platts. Supporter perspective here...I agree call was not Red worthy and that it looked like play was over but I saw it live and not looked at the video yet.

This was a great soccer match to watch, very good play by both squads.

SLU was on a higher level play than Platts first 10-15 min of match. Platts grew into the match. Second half was all Platts..

Platts GK (their backup GK) made an error on SLU goal it was great service by SLU into the box but the GK hesitated then called for it and whiffed.

I did not think there was a foul on the GK who slid out and stopped shot then caught the SLU player who went over sliding GK, just a soccer play


Platts sat three players out - their Starting GK a forward and a MF who started the non-conference matches, both field players with 4 yellows.

I agree seeing these teams with full squads would be a great match. I knew from reading this board they had good offensive players, however I thought the SLU back line played really well, big, strong but good soccer players.

My first time at SLU very  nice pitch and complex. Announcer was great as well.

I agree that Plattsburgh outplayed SLU, especially in the second half. I thought it was some pretty poor play from SLU, as they couldn't control the ball as they usually do. The midfield is young. They were taking too long to find the open man. They were playing without 4 starters I assume because of rest and/or yellow card accumulation. Mogul played in the middle and not the wing. He is very good in the middle, but uncoverable so far on the wing. I do wonder why the ball isn't played to him more. It seems like every time he gets the ball he creates a scoring chance. Should be an interesting game tomorrow against Hobart, a team that seems to be peaking at the right time.

As always, the two goals SLU allowed today were a result of shooting themselves in the foot. Credit to Hobart for pouncing on SLU's mistakes to secure a home playoff game next week against RIT. SLU showed that they are tough to beat by coming back twice but if they took care of their chances they would have easily got home field for the whole tournament.  Doubled Hobart on shots and had them on their back heels for most of the game, especially through the wings.  Mogul looked like the best player in the league today.   Hobart's keeper commanded his box well and their defense got some good blocked shots. Would like to see these two teams meet again.  Another homecoming for Hobart assistant and former SLU great Rob Brandell. A superb player for the scarlet and brown. I still firmly believe SLU was a final 4 team the year  they played without Brandell who missed the season due to a broken leg in preseason.   I don't know how much longer Griffin will go at Hobart so I wonder if Brandell is HC in waiting.

Clarkson ultimately misses out on the tournament yet again by dropping a bad one to Union. Ithaca gets the tie breaker courtesy of their head to head matchup.


League tournament is as follows: 

#1 Vassar plays winner of #4 Hobart/#5 RIT

#2 SLU plays winner of #3 Skidmore/# 6 Ithaca.

Welcome to Gordon. 

Quote from: stlawus on November 02, 2024, 04:28:09 PMAs always, the two goals SLU allowed today were a result of shooting themselves in the foot. Credit to Hobart for pouncing on SLU's mistakes to secure a home playoff game next week against RIT. SLU showed that they are tough to beat by coming back twice but if they took care of their chances they would have easily got home field for the whole tournament.  Doubled Hobart on shots and had them on their back heels for most of the game, especially through the wings. Hobart's keeper commanded his box well and their defense got some good blocked shots. Would like to see these two teams meet again.  Another homecoming for Hobart assistant and former SLU great Rob Brandell. A superb player for the scarlet and brown. I still firmly believe SLU was a final 4 team the year  they played without Brandell who missed the season due to a broken leg in preseason.

Clarkson ultimately misses out on the tournament yet again by dropping a bad one to Union. Ithaca gets the tie breaker courtesy of their head to head matchup.


League tournament is as follows: 

#1 Vassar plays winner of #4 Hobart/#5 RIT

#2 SLU plays winner of #3 Skidmore/# 6 Ithaca.

Is Baker hurt or sick? I notice a guy on the sideline on crutches but I think that is Mallory who I believe hasn't played all year. Notice Hobart wasn't playing without Madsen. Going to be an interesting tournament where whoever wins will be the only team out of the tournament to make NCAA.

Baker looked like he picked up an injury a couple games ago. I would assume he's back for playoffs. The keeper is also playing through an injury.  Had to be subbed out in the 2nd half against Plattsburgh and very clearly played through it today. 

As of today Vassar was on the outside looking in NPI wise.  We still don't know how NPI shakes out at the end of the season so never say never when it comes to pool C. 

First time in 30 years SLU has had single digit wins in a season.
Also the least diverse team since 1993.
Not sure this is a coincidence.
Love the effort of the boys.
Good on Brown for scoring 11 goals (so far) and all these players should be proud of what they have accomplished. An undefeated league season is nothing to snif at... but the style of play won't get you dancing and progressing. Have to play more fluid football. But hey, guys will tell us that this is how you have to play because the game has evolved.
The eye test does not lie. Even more than wins and losses, the football needs some more individualism more magic injected into it.
Team recruiting won't change and neither will style of play.

Let's see how the post season plays out.