Quote from: Saint of Old on November 02, 2024, 06:26:43 PMFirst time in 30 years SLU has had single digit wins in a season.
Also the least diverse team since 1993.
Not sure this is a coincidence.
Love the effort of the boys.
Good on Brown for scoring 11 goals (so far) and all these players should be proud of what they have accomplished. An undefeated league season is nothing to snif at... but the style of play won't get you dancing and progressing. Have to play more fluid football. But hey, guys will tell us that this is how you have to play because the game has evolved.
The eye test does not lie. Even more than wins and losses, the football needs some more individualism more magic injected into it.
Team recruiting won't change and neither will style of play.

Let's see how the post season plays out.

That 1993 team was pretty diverse. We had players from CA, FL, Jamaica, Cape Verdes, NJ, MA, NY, CT, etc. It was the team that started to change the program around as it was the first winning season in years and they were invited to the ECAC tournament but the administration was not going to pay for the trip.

Quote from: kevdog on November 02, 2024, 06:58:45 PM

Quote from: Saint of Old on November 02, 2024, 06:26:43 PMFirst time in 30 years SLU has had single digit wins in a season.
Also the least diverse team since 1993.
Not sure this is a coincidence.
Love the effort of the boys.
Good on Brown for scoring 11 goals (so far) and all these players should be proud of what they have accomplished. An undefeated league season is nothing to snif at... but the style of play won't get you dancing and progressing. Have to play more fluid football. But hey, guys will tell us that this is how you have to play because the game has evolved.
The eye test does not lie. Even more than wins and losses, the football needs some more individualism more magic injected into it.
Team recruiting won't change and neither will style of play.

Let's see how the post season plays out.

That 1993 team was pretty diverse. We had players from CA, FL, Jamaica, Cape Verdes, NJ, MA, NY, CT, etc. It was the team that started to change the program around as it was the first winning season in years and they were invited to the ECAC tournament but the administration was not going to pay for the trip.

My apologies.
I should have gone with 92.
Around the time when Chris Rose came in with the Jamaican pipeline and Brito began the African pipeline.
Either way, let's say least amount of diversity and resulting diversity of playing style in over 3 decades.

Quote from: Saint of Old on November 02, 2024, 07:15:54 PM

Quote from: kevdog on November 02, 2024, 06:58:45 PM

Quote from: Saint of Old on November 02, 2024, 06:26:43 PMFirst time in 30 years SLU has had single digit wins in a season.
Also the least diverse team since 1993.
Not sure this is a coincidence.
Love the effort of the boys.
Good on Brown for scoring 11 goals (so far) and all these players should be proud of what they have accomplished. An undefeated league season is nothing to snif at... but the style of play won't get you dancing and progressing. Have to play more fluid football. But hey, guys will tell us that this is how you have to play because the game has evolved.
The eye test does not lie. Even more than wins and losses, the football needs some more individualism more magic injected into it.
Team recruiting won't change and neither will style of play.

Let's see how the post season plays out.

That 1993 team was pretty diverse. We had players from CA, FL, Jamaica, Cape Verdes, NJ, MA, NY, CT, etc. It was the team that started to change the program around as it was the first winning season in years and they were invited to the ECAC tournament but the administration was not going to pay for the trip.

My apologies.
I should have gone with 92.
Around the time when Chris Rose came in with the Jamaican pipeline and Brito began the African pipeline.
Either way, let's say least amount of diversity and resulting diversity of playing style in over 3 decades.

Kevdog.
Props to you and that entire 93 team BTW.
Program was on a downward trend for a good 15 years before that team began the turn around. Guys like Scott Wiley/Wycall/the best goalie footballer in program history Colin Lennon. What a team.
3 of my favorite ever all time Saint seasons have always been 93/94/2011

Quote from: Saint of Old on November 02, 2024, 07:18:17 PM

Quote from: Saint of Old on November 02, 2024, 07:15:54 PM

Quote from: kevdog on November 02, 2024, 06:58:45 PM

Quote from: Saint of Old on November 02, 2024, 06:26:43 PMFirst time in 30 years SLU has had single digit wins in a season.
Also the least diverse team since 1993.
Not sure this is a coincidence.
Love the effort of the boys.
Good on Brown for scoring 11 goals (so far) and all these players should be proud of what they have accomplished. An undefeated league season is nothing to snif at... but the style of play won't get you dancing and progressing. Have to play more fluid football. But hey, guys will tell us that this is how you have to play because the game has evolved.
The eye test does not lie. Even more than wins and losses, the football needs some more individualism more magic injected into it.
Team recruiting won't change and neither will style of play.

Let's see how the post season plays out.

That 1993 team was pretty diverse. We had players from CA, FL, Jamaica, Cape Verdes, NJ, MA, NY, CT, etc. It was the team that started to change the program around as it was the first winning season in years and they were invited to the ECAC tournament but the administration was not going to pay for the trip.

My apologies.
I should have gone with 92.
Around the time when Chris Rose came in with the Jamaican pipeline and Brito began the African pipeline.
Either way, let's say least amount of diversity and resulting diversity of playing style in over 3 decades.

Kevdog.
Props to you and that entire 93 team BTW.
Program was on a downward trend for a good 15 years before that team began the turn around. Guys like Scott Wiley/Wycall/the best goalie footballer in program history Colin Lennon. What a team.
3 of my favorite ever all time Saint seasons have always been 93/94/2011

Thank you. Wycall was just a smooth player. Mogul reminds me of him. Lennon was very good but there are some goalies like Sutton I would put over him but SLU has had so many good keepers throughout their history. Rose started the Jamaican connection. Great player but even better human being. Same with Brito. Came in as a freshman but played like he has been there for years. Wiley was another good player.  The thing about playing at SLU it is like a family. Hopefully these guys can make a run in both tournaments.

Ok.  So who is LL player of the year? Keeker or the freshman from Vassar? Mogul or Brown from SLU? Anyone else in the running?

I would bet on Brown getting OPOY.  Tobolski most assuredly ROY, with Leitner in 2nd in that regard. Wouldn't be surprised if Tobolski got POY, however.  4 game winning goals for Brown will probably do it though.   Devall from Skidmore should get DPOY honors.

Quote from: Saint of Old on November 02, 2024, 06:26:43 PMFirst time in 30 years SLU has had single digit wins in a season.

What? There were single digit wins in 2007, 2009, 2017, 2019, and 2023.

Quote from: Sandy on November 02, 2024, 10:11:47 PM

Quote from: Saint of Old on November 02, 2024, 06:26:43 PMFirst time in 30 years SLU has had single digit wins in a season.

What? There were single digit wins in 2007, 2009, 2017, 2019, and 2023.

I meant to say consecutive years. Thank you for your point that this is  4th single win season in 8 years... but carry on

Not sure if all realize just how many key pieces Hobart are actually missing. In addition to Madsen who was All Region and LL Tourney MOP since early Oct, they are also short last years LL Co-Defensive player of year and All region player C.Koschineg since mid Sept. with injury & also LL 2nd team Q.Phillips since Sept. with injury. Kudos to Coach Griffin having these guys compete this well without all these key players and to all players for stepping up getting them a home playoff game.

Quote from: StatesSoccerFan on November 03, 2024, 12:40:38 AMNot sure if all realize just how many key pieces Hobart are actually missing. In addition to Madsen who was All Region and LL Tourney MOP since early Oct, they are also short last years LL Co-Defensive player of year and All region player C.Koschineg since mid Sept. with injury & also LL 2nd team Q.Phillips since Sept. with injury. Kudos to Coach Griffin having these guys compete this well without all these key players and to all players for stepping up getting them a home playoff game.

A lot of good young players. Team has a shot at coming back up for a LL finals match up if they both take care of business next week. I'm sure both teams and fans would love that.

Quote from: stlawus on November 02, 2024, 08:44:52 PMI would bet on Brown getting OPOY.  Tobolski most assuredly ROY, with Leitner in 2nd in that regard. Wouldn't be surprised if Tobolski got POY, however.  4 game winning goals for Brown will probably do it though.   Devall from Skidmore should get DPOY honors.

STLAWUS, The award for offensive, defensive, and rookie honors are given out on a weekly basis. However, the annual awards have one notable difference. There is no award for offensive player of the year. The award is replaced by LL player of the year. I'm sure there is a reason for omitting the word offensive. There could easily be an award for each. Most years the OPOY and POY would be the same player. This year it would most likely be different. Also, do the voters look at non conference games or mainly consider LL games? I would imagine that the coaches vote would weigh heavily on the performance against his team on that particular day. The eye test.
 The stat leader board starts to look different when counting only LL games. Brady Leitner is now ahead of Tobolski in goals and points. Brown has a slight lead in goals, Mogul in assists, and the top 6 point scorers are separated by 3 points. (Brown, Keker, Leitner, Pijpers, Mogul, and Tobolski.
Game winning goal leaders are now Tobolski and Mogul.
For me it's
POY Mogul
ROY Tobolski
DPOY Baker Diaz and Devall
     Carter Kladstrup may get some votes as well.

You're right, should have clarified when I say OPOY that it's essentially interchangeable with POY since a defensive player is never given the award.  OPOY doesn't mean just most goals scored, but in this case Brown has the most and I believe the year end awards do take into account the entire season (I could be wrong, I know there are SIDs on here so please correct me if I am).  Devall having the most shutouts and Skidmore going from the basement to a 3rd seed should give him DPOY, but there are plenty of deserving candidates. 

I'm still absolutely baffled at how Clarkson has had 3 .630 or higher win percentage seasons in a row and missed the conference tournament each time. 

This might sound pedantic, but OPOY is not essentially the same thing as POY. Owen Fauth was POY last year. Marvin Sibanda the two previous years.
Fauth led the league in assists and was tied with 3 others for seventh in goals scored. He had just one goal and 4 assists in his 9 conference games. He was third team all American. If the award was OPOY it easily could have gone to Guadiano or Madsen.
In 2022, Sibanda had just 2 goals and one assist in his 9 conference games. Sibanda was a deserved first team All American and midfield player of the year. Would Ibrahim or Silva won OPOY?
Is the award voted on before or after the LL playoffs? That may make a difference.

Quote from: stlawus on November 03, 2024, 12:24:54 PMYou're right, should have clarified when I say OPOY that it's essentially interchangeable with POY since a defensive player is never given the award.  OPOY doesn't mean just most goals scored, but in this case Brown has the most and I believe the year end awards do take into account the entire season (I could be wrong, I know there are SIDs on here so please correct me if I am).  Devall having the most shutouts and Skidmore going from the basement to a 3rd seed should give him DPOY, but there are plenty of deserving candidates. 

Didn't Harry Copeland get POY his Sr year and was defender. I could be wrong about this though