The fact that it was successful in the Centennial final may have motivated W&L to practice facing those kind of PKs once they found out they were seeded in the same pod.  It's not unstoppable, but there are different tells and strategies.


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Of course W&L knew about Hopkins' unique style of taking pks, and of course they practiced.

It was a good game and as someone else said, Hopkins gave respect to the W&L team by playing 5 in their back line for the first half.

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Quote from: oacalum on November 17, 2024, 09:53:21 PMTimes for the third round games are posted on the NCAA website bracket with no mention of locations (that I can find). If those are correct, it seems like Amherst is getting sent to Wisconsin. Seems like other hosts are Middlebury, Mary Washington, and Williams.

As I understand it, the host gets to pick which games are in which time slots, so it's no surprise that Middlebury chose the 10:30 am eastern time first game for its match with Claremont-Mudd-Scripps.  That means CMS players will feel like they are playing at 7:30 am pacific.  Brutal.

Dickinson and Wisconsin-Eau Claire, by contrast, are hosting and chose to play the later game slots.

I think it goes by seed...and hence Amherst playing first and also Williams.

Quote from: SKUD on November 17, 2024, 11:40:40 PMIs Wisconsin EC the $hitty field lined for football?

At least maybe better than Dickinson's grass.

Quote from: Another Mom on November 18, 2024, 12:17:53 AMThe fact that it was successful in the Centennial final may have motivated W&L to practice facing those kind of PKs once they found out they were seeded in the same pod.  It's not unstoppable, but there are different tells and strategies.

Of course W&L knew about Hopkins' unique style of taking pks, and of course they practiced.

It was a good game and as someone else said, Hopkins gave respect to the W&L team by playing 5 in their back line for the first half.
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I would love to know how they practiced for it, the ones I watched left me guessing which way they would go!

First, our gk knew the Hopkins players were waiting for him to make a move, so he didn't.  Also, by not running up, if they were right footed, they pretty much had to go right (hard to kick across your body), and finally, it is hard to get much power on it from a standstill.

All this is from the "press conference" after the game, and another one of my sons, who is a gk.

 

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Quote from: PaulNewman on November 17, 2024, 08:28:41 PMOK, I guess you're not a homer and don't feel entitled.  I've got no interest in doing research on your behalf.  Interesting that you picked out my post when others thought you were ridiculous for asking for a red.  Also interesting because I gave a lot of praise to Messiah, how they competed, and said I was rooting for them. And they didn't lose because of that one play, 80 yards from where the goal was scored.

PN, we both know I'm a homer--and so are you. 

Others with more objectivity have said my call for a red card was unwarranted. I accept their view as more objective than mine, though nearly everyone agrees that play should have been called back (which is the heart of the matter). Given that neither team had scored for more than 100 minutes, it seems reasonable to conclude that the Falcons did lose because of that one play. What should have happened, by nearly all accounts, is that Messiah should have had a free kick from a fairly dangerous place. We can't know what would have followed, but there's no reason to believe that Williams would then have marched down the field and scored after stealing the ball.

I had a pretty good view of the play preceding the goal and it was obviously a foul. That being said, anyone who watched the entirety of the game and the ref's reluctance to blow his whistle and issue cards for fouls on either side of the ball couldn't be too surprised with the no-call. From early on it was very clear that he was going to let the boys play hard and that was consistent to the end.

On the separate matter of Messiah's temperament, they deserve a tip of the hat for taking the result without much complaint. However, they aren't a bunch of Franciscan monks and there was as much in-your-face jawing and chest-thumping as I've seen all season.

Tough, well-contested game. On to the next.

Quote from: pittsfieldpete on November 18, 2024, 06:39:22 AMI had a pretty good view of the play preceding the goal and it was obviously a foul. That being said, anyone who watched the entirety of the game and the ref's reluctance to blow his whistle and issue cards for fouls on either side of the ball couldn't be too surprised with the no-call. From early on it was very clear that he was going to let the boys play hard and that was consistent to the end.

If the foul is in the box, I can see swallowing your whistle if you don't want to make a call that alters the game; the irony of which is that swallowing the whistle on a foul 40 yards from goal is exactly what altered the game.

So maybe not the correct thread for this. But I don't think the statements about how a ref officiated a game should matter. That was an atrocious no-call. context should not matter for an official to do their job.  This play is an easy interpretation of the rule book. If people are saying this was how the entire game was officiated than these officials need to be removed and sent back to U8.

Quote from: Kuiper on November 17, 2024, 04:27:07 PMColorado College almost ties it up in the 54th minute, but the ref blows the whistle on a yellow card foul instead of playing advantage and a goal scored is negated.  CC players have a right to be upset about not playing on, but once the ref blows the whistle it's over. 

CMS is pinned back now.  It's been one way traffic for awhile as Colorado College has dialed up the pressure in search of the equalizer.

A lot of talk about "game changing" ref errors on the board, but this one takes the cake. First, the foul happened arguably in or at the edge of the box, and the ensuing goal happened immediately thereafter. Second, the ref immediately told the players he "f'd" up by blowing his whistle prematurely.  His words.  In the 54th minute.  ... I guess in D3 soccer this is what we get.

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Quote from: Kuiper on November 17, 2024, 04:27:07 PMColorado College almost ties it up in the 54th minute, but the ref blows the whistle on a yellow card foul instead of playing advantage and a goal scored is negated.  CC players have a right to be upset about not playing on, but once the ref blows the whistle it's over. 

CMS is pinned back now.  It's been one way traffic for awhile as Colorado College has dialed up the pressure in search of the equalizer.

A lot of talk about "game changing" ref errors on the board, but this one takes the cake. First, the foul happened arguably in or at the edge of the box, and the ensuing goal happened immediately thereafter. Second, the ref immediately told the players he "f'd" up by blowing his whistle prematurely.  His words.  In the 54th minute.  ... I guess in D3 soccer this is what we get.

That's kind of what happens everywhere. Refs are people. People make mistakes. Watch an NFL game and see how many times those ref's miss something. Or a World Cup match. Even at the highest levels, the "hand of god" play can somehow happen. Or Lampard's non-goal.

It sucks. Especially when it explicitly affects the outcome of a game. As a former ref I know I made wrong calls. We all try not to, but it happens. It's unavoidable. I always felt players and fans have the right to grumble and complain, but not be abusive.

So far all I've heard are grumbles and complaints, so I say have at it. It's a long season and it doesn't deserve to end because of mistakes, but that's a darn good life lesson because, as we all know and our parents told us many times, life isn't fair.

All a ref can do is his/her best. We are always in desperate need of refs, especially these days as it feels like parents and spectators have worse and worse behavior, so if you think you can do better, I encourage you to take the classes, work your way up the ranks, and get involved with these matches. It's not easy, but the game needs people to take on the challenge and, all too often these days, the abuse, in order for the game to stay alive.

It was one of many missed calls and bad calls. I was there and the officiating was the worst I have witnessed in over 20 years of watching soccer at all levels. And no, it was not just a "physical game" And no, the poor officiating was not just calls for and against both teams. And yes, I am a homer; but I can tell you I had no issues with officiating when the Falcons lost to Williams 2 years ago and ONU last year. The CR didn't officiate the game. He inserted himself and affected it. In the 2nd half there was on offsides called on a break way and it would have been 1v1 with MU's goal leader vs. Diffey. The call was not only made by the CR and not the AR; but I have rewatched the call. Not only was he on sides by 2 yards, the ball played by MU player was flicked back by WC player. It is just unfortunate that the CR had such an impact. Finally, when is the last time a NESCAC team had less fouls against a non NESCAC opponent, especially one like MU who historically rarely commits more fouls than its opponents.  Good luck Another Mom. Will cheering for your boys.

Quote from: Fitz@615 on November 18, 2024, 08:35:52 AMIt was one of many missed calls and bad calls. I was there and the officiating was the worst I have witnessed in over 20 years of watching soccer at all levels. And no, it was not just a "physical game" And no, the poor officiating was not just calls for and against both teams. And yes, I am a homer; but I can tell you I had no issues with officiating when the Falcons lost to Williams 2 years ago and ONU last year. The CR didn't officiate the game. He inserted himself and affected it. In the 2nd half there was on offsides called on a break way and it would have been 1v1 with MU's goal leader vs. Diffey. The call was not only made by the CR and not the AR; but I have rewatched the call. Not only was he on sides by 2 yards, the ball played by MU player was flicked back by WC player. It is just unfortunate that the CR had such an impact. Finally, when is the last time a NESCAC team had less fouls against a non NESCAC opponent, especially one like MU who historically rarely commits more fouls than its opponents.  Good luck Another Mom. Will cheering for your boys.

Will try and find the full game to watch, but FYI, the center official in that game has officiated at numerous NCAA College Cup finals and works regularly in the SEC and other DI conferences.  You may disagree with how the game was officiated; he may have had a bad day. I will reserve judgment until I can watch the match.  To suggest the official is unqualified is both incorrect and unfair.

Referee mistakes/errors are part of the game - humans are imperfect. I have seen poorly officiated games by supposed D1 and MLS refs. No trying to minimize the impact that some errors can have (I recall a stone cold handling violation not called in a semifinal two years ago) but at the end of the day I would bet that most of the players would point to the opportunties that they did not take instead of a referee error for why the game was not won.

Quote from: eaglesoccerdad on November 18, 2024, 08:51:05 AMReferee mistakes/errors are part of the game - humans are imperfect. I have seen poorly officiated games by supposed D1 and MLS refs. No trying to minimize the impact that some errors can have (I recall a stone cold handling violation not called in a semifinal two years ago) but at the end of the day I would bet that most of the players would point to the opportunties that they did not take instead of a referee error for why the game was not won.

I can understand this POV to an extent - but when the margins are so fine and so tight in an NCAA tournament match, I think a glaring refereeing mistake overrides your disappointment at missed chances, since its an element of the match that is not within your control.

Players can accept missed chances and poor defending, as its easier to take ownership of those moments (as it is within a player's control).

On the whole - Messiah v Williams was spectacular entertainment. Felt like a blockbuster NCAA matchup. Open, direct soccer with lots of physicality and chippy play. Desire and fight from both teams. Had a rivalry edge to it because of the result 2 years ago.