Quote from: D3BBALL on January 25, 2025, 10:20:48 PM

Quote from: RollConts25 on January 25, 2025, 05:17:36 PMTough couple of weeks for the "Hank Morgan is not the best player in the conference" crowd...

Are you related or Morgan's agent?
Morgan played against Wesleyan and was a non factor in the second half while Regan was lighting it up.
Then against Trinity when the game was decided, a 5 minute stretch in 2nd half, Morgan was guarded by Trinity Subs and fell behind by 10 points. He shot the ball great, but at home with leads in both 2nd half's you need to win. Couple of bad turnovers as well.
It's Regan's To lose right now, he was very good against Trinity today, played the entire second half and was one of the biggest reason they won.
It's Regan 1, Gyimesi 2, Morgan 3, Vetter no longer in running, he was not good today.
IMO will come down to the Tufts Wesleyan game next weekend. Will most likely decide the regular season title and POY.

Not related or his agent, although agent is hilarious 😂😂, just a fan of great players. I agree with you that those guys are ahead of Morgan right now as it stands in the POTY race, they're both 5-0. That is a different argument than who is the best player in the conference. 28 a game on 62/52/92 splits with 1 TO per game is unheard of in a conference as good overall and defensively as the NESCAC. Against trinity, the #1 defense in all of Division 3, Morgan had 36 on 21 shots.

He had 1 turnover in the Trinity game and it came with 10 minutes to go, so I'm not sure what your "crucial turnovers" are or why you're treating it like it was at this extremely crucial, outcome-altering spot of the game. Hamilton was competitive in a game in which 4 of their 5 starters scored 2 points or less, against a top 15 team in the country. That is crazy.

Shane Regan did outplay Morgan numbers wise in their head to head, and I give a lot of credit to Wesleyan's defense for forcing him into tough shots, they definitely deserved to win. I do like the head-to-head and team success argument when it comes to player of the year award, so I don't disagree with you about the award as it stands right now, but again to me that's a different question than who is the best.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2025, 04:58:19 PMNew Top 25 is out. Wesleyan No. 1:
https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2024-25/week8

Congrats to Wesleyan, well deserved. Number 1 team in country!!!

Quote from: jumbomumbo on January 27, 2025, 05:20:15 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2025, 04:58:19 PMNew Top 25 is out. Wesleyan No. 1:
https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2024-25/week8

I believe some of these UAA rankings are inflated. Tufts beat NYU to make the sweet 16 last year and lost less than they did. Also, all UAA teams flopped last year in the tournament.

Also the most dangerous potential NCAA team (has to win NEWMAC) not receiving votes has to be Babson. They've beaten WPI, Trinity, Case Western

Babson is definitely good but at 12-6 it's hard to get them onto my ballot. And yes, they did beat Case, but 11 teams have beaten Case so that's not a super exclusive club.

Quote from: RollConts25 on January 27, 2025, 05:27:17 PM

Quote from: D3BBALL on January 25, 2025, 10:20:48 PM

Quote from: RollConts25 on January 25, 2025, 05:17:36 PMTough couple of weeks for the "Hank Morgan is not the best player in the conference" crowd...

Are you related or Morgan's agent?
Morgan played against Wesleyan and was a non factor in the second half while Regan was lighting it up.
Then against Trinity when the game was decided, a 5 minute stretch in 2nd half, Morgan was guarded by Trinity Subs and fell behind by 10 points. He shot the ball great, but at home with leads in both 2nd half's you need to win. Couple of bad turnovers as well.
It's Regan's To lose right now, he was very good against Trinity today, played the entire second half and was one of the biggest reason they won.
It's Regan 1, Gyimesi 2, Morgan 3, Vetter no longer in running, he was not good today.
IMO will come down to the Tufts Wesleyan game next weekend. Will most likely decide the regular season title and POY.

Not related or his agent, although agent is hilarious 😂😂, just a fan of great players. I agree with you that those guys are ahead of Morgan right now as it stands in the POTY race, they're both 5-0. That is a different argument than who is the best player in the conference. 28 a game on 62/52/92 splits with 1 TO per game is unheard of in a conference as good overall and defensively as the NESCAC. Against trinity, the #1 defense in all of Division 3, Morgan had 36 on 21 shots.

He had 1 turnover in the Trinity game and it came with 10 minutes to go, so I'm not sure what your "crucial turnovers" are or why you're treating it like it was at this extremely crucial, outcome-altering spot of the game. Hamilton was competitive in a game in which 4 of their 5 starters scored 2 points or less, against a top 15 team in the country. That is crazy.

Shane Regan did outplay Morgan numbers wise in their head to head, and I give a lot of credit to Wesleyan's defense for forcing him into tough shots, they definitely deserved to win. I do like the head-to-head and team success argument when it comes to player of the year award, so I don't disagree with you about the award as it stands right now, but again to me that's a different question than who is the best.

Easy to disagree, but besides the Hamilton coach not sure any other coach in the league would take Morgan over the other 2. All 3 are over 60, both Morgan and Regan over 50 on threes and until Saturday all over 90 in fts. Morgan has a shot but he needs help from other teams and he needs the other best backcourt mate in the league lol, to play a lot better.

Quote from: D3BBALL on January 27, 2025, 05:59:48 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2025, 04:58:19 PMNew Top 25 is out. Wesleyan No. 1:
https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2024-25/week8

Congrats to Wesleyan, well deserved. Number 1 team in country!!!

If tufts hadn't lost to Nichols, they probably have a road to #1 in country with wins over Wes and Trin this weekend. #4 is my guess if they get it done

Quote from: jumbomumbo on January 27, 2025, 06:15:01 PM

Quote from: D3BBALL on January 27, 2025, 05:59:48 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2025, 04:58:19 PMNew Top 25 is out. Wesleyan No. 1:
https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2024-25/week8

Congrats to Wesleyan, well deserved. Number 1 team in country!!!

If tufts hadn't lost to Nichols, they probably have a road to #1 in country with wins over Wes and Trin this weekend. #4 is my guess if they get it done

Agree will be very impressive resume

Predictions for this weekend
Friday
Conn 55 @ Trinity 69
Bates 61 @ Williams 74
Amherst 67 @ Colby 77
Hamilton 75 @ Bowdoin 68
Tufts 63 @ Wesleyan 60

Saturday
Tufts 59 @ Trinity 62
Amherst 75 @ Bowdoin 73
Conn 54 @ Wesleyan 78
Hamilton 77 @ Colby 70
Bates 71 @ Middlebury 78

Wesleyan has definitely earned it! They've had some talented teams in recent years but this one I think is well situated for a deep tourney run.

I'm curious as to the full list of NESCAC teams to have ever been ranked number one. Amherst, Williams, Midd and Wesleyan I think may be it.  Maybe Trinity?

Congrats to Wesleyan!

@nescac1 - Here's the full list from D3Hoops webpage: https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/archive

Felix Kloman is out for Babson with a broken hand. If he is back in time for the stretch run I agree, if not, odds are slim

Thanks El Jefe, my guess was right.  I think Trinity has been pretty close, but I guess not quite.  Crazy that NESCAC hasn't had a number one since Amherst seven years ago ... I don't think anyone foresaw this Wesleyan team getting there before the season!

Quote from: el_jefe_90 on January 27, 2025, 07:09:52 PMCongrats to Wesleyan!

@nescac1 - Here's the full list from D3Hoops webpage: https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/archive

Or you may find it easier to look through this page, since it includes everyone to ever be named No. 1, and everyone to ever receive a No. 1 vote:
https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/previous

Thanks Pat.  So, Amherst, Midd, Wesleyan and Williams have all been number one, and Trinity and Tufts have each received number one votes. 

Unless I'm mistaken, Wesleyan had never (in its history as a program) received a single number one vote before being voted number one this week. That has to be very unusual. 

Wesleyan-Tufts looms large and should be a very competitive game - I'm sure it will be a crazy atmosphere in the gym with the 2015 NESCAC championship team on hand as well.  While anything can happen in NESCAC play especially as the pressure mounts, if Wesleyan can win this one, its odds of securing the first ever 24-0 regular season during NESCAC's NCAA participation era (1994 to the present) are very, very high given the remaining schedule. The closest anyone has come are Williams' 31-1 in 2003 (losing to Amherst in one regular season game before winning the national title) and Amherst's 30-2 in 2007 (losing one regular season game as well as the NESCAC championship game before winning the national title). 

Entering this season, the highest Wesleyan had ever been ranked was No. 8.

Conn was also ranked #1 during at one point in the season of their 1999 final four run