Obviously a big game today, St. John's at Gustavus. More important for GAC because they sit at Pool C 17, while St. John's is the Pool A between Pool C 6 and Poo C 7. GAC probably won't drop out of the top 21 Pool C's, but there's only one game left and then the conference tournament. They will be on very thin ice as the MIAC is so bad overall, they probably won't be getting any quality of win bonus points.

Blugolds go on the road and take down Stevens Point 66-62. Refs kinda put UWSP in foul trouble early in the 2nd half as I think they were called for 3 fouls in 1 possession. One of the announcers definitely was noting the discrepancy as the Blugolds outshot the Pointers 17-22 vs. 6-8 from the foul line. Bit of a sloppy game by both teams as each committed 14 turnovers. Point had a crucial one on a bad pass with under a minute left with the score tied that led to an easy go-ahead bucket by Renta.

Blugolds as usual led by Renta and Huschka who had 21 & 16 points respectively.
Pointers led by Josia Butler with 24 with multiple nice 3 point shots.

On a side note, very impressed with the Pointers TV announcers. Probably one of the better duos calling games in the conference.

Quote from: '95 Blugold on February 15, 2025, 08:39:48 PMBlugolds go on the road and take down Stevens Point 66-62. Refs kinda put UWSP in foul trouble early in the 2nd half as I think they were called for 3 fouls in 1 possession. One of the announcers definitely was noting the discrepancy as the Blugolds outshot the Pointers 17-22 vs. 6-8 from the foul line. Bit of a sloppy game by both teams as each committed 14 turnovers. Point had a crucial one on a bad pass with under a minute left with the score tied that led to an easy go-ahead bucket by Renta.

Blugolds as usual led by Renta and Huschka who had 21 & 16 points respectively.
Pointers led by Josia Butler with 24 with multiple nice 3 point shots.

On a side note, very impressed with the Pointers TV announcers. Probably one of the better duos calling games in the conference.

Sorry, wrong forum.

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2025, 04:38:15 AMObviously a big game today, St. John's at Gustavus. More important for GAC because they sit at Pool C 17, while St. John's is the Pool A between Pool C 6 and Poo C 7. GAC probably won't drop out of the top 21 Pool C's, but there's only one game left and then the conference tournament. They will be on very thin ice as the MIAC is so bad overall, they probably won't be getting any quality of win bonus points.

What are the chances the MIAC gets two teams into the playoffs? I know a lot has to do with how conference tournaments shake out. Johnnies dropped to #30 in the NPI with the loss yesterday and GAC did not crack the top 20. It was a competitive albeit ugly game. My gut tells me that SJU and GAC both need to win out and make it to the conference playoff championship game to have a chance of advancing to the NCCA.
If either of them fails to do so I would think their chance of an at large bid goes out the window.
I also don't see either team winning more than a game in the NCAA.

The rest of the league is comparatively bad. It's almost the same as football is in the MIAC with two very strong programs and then the rest is meh.

https://miacathletics.com/standings.aspx?path=mbball

Quote from: faunch on February 16, 2025, 10:02:15 AM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2025, 04:38:15 AMObviously a big game today, St. John's at Gustavus. More important for GAC because they sit at Pool C 17, while St. John's is the Pool A between Pool C 6 and Poo C 7. GAC probably won't drop out of the top 21 Pool C's, but there's only one game left and then the conference tournament. They will be on very thin ice as the MIAC is so bad overall, they probably won't be getting any quality of win bonus points.

What are the chances the MIAC gets two teams into the playoffs? I know a lot has to do with how conference tournaments shake out. Johnnies dropped to #30 in the NPI with the loss yesterday and GAC did not crack the top 20. It was a competitive albeit ugly game. My gut tells me that SJU and GAC both need to win out and make it to the conference playoff championship game to have a chance of advancing to the NCCA.
If either of them fails to do so I would think their chance of an at large bid goes out the window.
I also don't see either team winning more than a game in the NCAA.

The rest of the league is comparatively bad. It's almost the same as football is in the MIAC with two very strong programs and then the rest is meh.

https://miacathletics.com/standings.aspx?path=mbball

At this point the expectation would be that the MIAC is a multi-bid league. I think yesterday's result solidified that. Based on our new run of simulations this morning, both SJU and GAC were in via at-large bid more than 85% of the time when needed. This number was still better than 75% for both should they exit before the conference tournament final.

https://d3datacast.com/npi/mbb-projections/

Quote from: ziggy on February 16, 2025, 10:26:47 AM

Quote from: faunch on February 16, 2025, 10:02:15 AM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2025, 04:38:15 AMObviously a big game today, St. John's at Gustavus. More important for GAC because they sit at Pool C 17, while St. John's is the Pool A between Pool C 6 and Poo C 7. GAC probably won't drop out of the top 21 Pool C's, but there's only one game left and then the conference tournament. They will be on very thin ice as the MIAC is so bad overall, they probably won't be getting any quality of win bonus points.

What are the chances the MIAC gets two teams into the playoffs? I know a lot has to do with how conference tournaments shake out. Johnnies dropped to #30 in the NPI with the loss yesterday and GAC did not crack the top 20. It was a competitive albeit ugly game. My gut tells me that SJU and GAC both need to win out and make it to the conference playoff championship game to have a chance of advancing to the NCCA.
If either of them fails to do so I would think their chance of an at large bid goes out the window.
I also don't see either team winning more than a game in the NCAA.

The rest of the league is comparatively bad. It's almost the same as football is in the MIAC with two very strong programs and then the rest is meh.

https://miacathletics.com/standings.aspx?path=mbball

At this point the expectation would be that the MIAC is a multi-bid league. I think yesterday's result solidified that. Based on our new run of simulations this morning, both SJU and GAC were in via at-large bid more than 85% of the time when needed. This number was still better than 75% for both should they exit before the conference tournament final.

https://d3datacast.com/npi/mbb-projections/

Quote from: ziggy on February 16, 2025, 10:26:47 AM

Quote from: faunch on February 16, 2025, 10:02:15 AM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2025, 04:38:15 AMObviously a big game today, St. John's at Gustavus. More important for GAC because they sit at Pool C 17, while St. John's is the Pool A between Pool C 6 and Poo C 7. GAC probably won't drop out of the top 21 Pool C's, but there's only one game left and then the conference tournament. They will be on very thin ice as the MIAC is so bad overall, they probably won't be getting any quality of win bonus points.

What are the chances the MIAC gets two teams into the playoffs? I know a lot has to do with how conference tournaments shake out. Johnnies dropped to #30 in the NPI with the loss yesterday and GAC did not crack the top 20. It was a competitive albeit ugly game. My gut tells me that SJU and GAC both need to win out and make it to the conference playoff championship game to have a chance of advancing to the NCCA.
If either of them fails to do so I would think their chance of an at large bid goes out the window.
I also don't see either team winning more than a game in the NCAA.

The rest of the league is comparatively bad. It's almost the same as football is in the MIAC with two very strong programs and then the rest is meh.

https://miacathletics.com/standings.aspx?path=mbball

At this point the expectation would be that the MIAC is a multi-bid league. I think yesterday's result solidified that. Based on our new run of simulations this morning, both SJU and GAC were in via at-large bid more than 85% of the time when needed. This number was still better than 75% for both should they exit before the conference tournament final.

https://d3datacast.com/npi/mbb-projections/

So there is a world in which the MIAC could get 3 teams in? 

Ouch! After beating St John's at home, GAC lays an egg at Carlton.

https://d3datacast.com/npi/

Today's NPI has St. John's at Pool C 15 and GAC with the Pool A but in between Pool C 18 and Pool C 19. I think GAC needs to get to the MIAC final to get in. Anything less and they might miss out. They could also miss out if they get to the final and there are other bid thieves.

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 20, 2025, 07:54:31 AMOuch! After beating St John's at home, GAC lays an egg at Carlton.

https://d3datacast.com/npi/

Today's NPI has St. John's at Pool C 15 and GAC with the Pool A but in between Pool C 18 and Pool C 19. I think GAC needs to get to the MIAC final to get in. Anything less and they might miss out. They could also miss out if they get to the final and there are other bid thieves.

How far did GAC drop in the NPI w/ that loss.

I don't know, just don't see Gustavus as a top 25 team...the MIAC is really weak outside of GAC and St. John's.  Hamline and Carelton are just barely inside the Massey 100 and the rest of the teams are really poor. D3 datacast has the MIAC 27th out of 44 conferences.   GAC is only 5-4 against teams inside the top 100.  Doesn't mean everything, but means something. 

They probably aren't. But, they did basically beat everyone on their schedule and they probably got ranked on the strength of beating St. John's, which has always been a good team. Of course, they won't be ranked next week after their most recent loss.

Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 20, 2025, 02:44:48 PMI don't know, just don't see Gustavus as a top 25 team...the MIAC is really weak outside of GAC and St. John's.  Hamline and Carelton are just barely inside the Massey 100 and the rest of the teams are really poor. D3 datacast has the MIAC 27th out of 44 conferences.   GAC is only 5-4 against teams inside the top 100.  Doesn't mean everything, but means something. 

Gustavus is a really good team. Maybe not Top 25, but certainly not a team that I'd want to see in the tournament. They are big,  they have shooters, and they can really defend.  Certain teams will be a match-up problem for them, but they are better than you are giving them credit for.

Also,  Hamline is a good team.  12-4 in the MIAC, won 10 of their last 12 with a margin of victory of 15.5.  They aren't incredibly deep but their starting 5 is about as good as any in the MIAC. Not going to be an easy out. 

So, how are the Gustavus playoff prospects looking after failing to make the MIAC championship?

Quote from: GoldandBlueBU on February 28, 2025, 03:38:42 PMSo, how are the Gustavus playoff prospects looking after failing to make the MIAC championship?

They're barely hanging on to one of the last spots as of now, a couple mild upsets should be all it takes to knock them out.

https://d3datacast.com/npi/

Pool C #20.

Gusties goose 🪿 is cooked. There will be an upset in a conference championship somewhere...hell maybe even in Collegeville. They're not any better than they were last season and they got blown out in the NCAA's by 20. Johnnies aren't any better than last season either.
MIAC entrants this year won't make it past the first weekend of the tournament.
Based on the NPI the MIAC is the 27th beast basketball league in D3.