Quote from: toad22 on March 09, 2025, 01:03:22 PMNothing excuses taunting of fans or parents by Redlands players. That should not happen, ever. Without making excuses for Redlands, I have personal knowledge of the verbal behavior of the group of Jumbo fans in question when Williams played Tufts. They are the most graphic, profane fans currently in the league. The visiting team hears them clearly from across the court. I do wish Tufts would police that a bit. It is in very poor taste. I actually like Tufts (even you Jumbo!), but this is an aspect of Jumboland that could use improvement.

Fan behavior in the NESCAC has varied over the years. Once, maybe 7-8 years ago at Wesleyan, the football team sat behind the Williams bench and got so profane and disgusting that complaints were made that made all the way to the top and the Wesleyan president had to apologize to the Williams president. In the 1990s, it was commonplace for profane drunk students to be kicked out of games all over the league.

I'd argue you haven't been to many Trinity games. At the end of the day, fans can do what they want to do, players can't act like that. Also - Wesleyan fans haven't been friendly this year. When your team is a legit national championship contender, fans raise to the occasion too.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2025, 12:25:26 PMSame thing happened in the CCIW title game - player traveled celebrating the win before the horn.  No call.

Although I thought perhaps the clock started a little slow at Tufts.  I was surprised he had enough time to even get to the rim.  It's funny that they'll review how much time was left on the clock, but rarely to they review whether the clock started on time to begin with.  Seems like both are important when we're talking tenths, right?

Williams lost the national championship game to UW-Whitewater in 2014 when, with 4.3 seconds to go, Williams went ahead by 1 on a tip in by Mike Mayer of a Duncan Robinson miss, and Whitewater took the in inbounds pass straight down the court, through all 5 Williams players, and laid it in, all in about 3.5 seconds. Nobody wants to foul the guy, so it is very hard to stop him. Great play by the Redlands guard.

Obviously bad sportsmanship from the Redlands side, but I feel like we're blowing it a bit out of proportion here. Just last week Trinity did the exact same thing to the Wesleyan fans and no one on here seemed to think it was a big deal. Losing to a team that acts like that makes the loss sting even more. Want to shut a team like that up? Win the game

Quote from: D3boarder on March 09, 2025, 01:46:31 PMObviously bad sportsmanship from the Redlands side, but I feel like we're blowing it a bit out of proportion here. Just last week Trinity did the exact same thing to the Wesleyan fans and no one on here seemed to think it was a big deal. Losing to a team that acts like that makes the loss sting even more. Want to shut a team like that up? Win the game

I was at the Wesleyan Trinity game, it was nothing more than banter. The Wesleyan students were giving it to the Trinity players the entire game, nothing bad but heckling the entire game. After the game a few Trinity players went over to the student body, and stuck their shirts out. It lasted maybe 10 seconds. Was not a big deal at all.

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Quote from: D3boarder on March 09, 2025, 01:46:31 PMObviously bad sportsmanship from the Redlands side, but I feel like we're blowing it a bit out of proportion here. Just last week Trinity did the exact same thing to the Wesleyan fans and no one on here seemed to think it was a big deal. Losing to a team that acts like that makes the loss sting even more. Want to shut a team like that up? Win the game

I was at the Wesleyan Trinity game, it was nothing more than banter. The Wesleyan students were giving it to the Trinity players the entire game, nothing bad but heckling the entire game. After the game a few Trinity players went over to the student body, and stuck their shirts out. It lasted maybe 10 seconds. Was not a big deal at all.

I don't disagree. Perhaps Redlands was a bit more egregious but my point still stands. If we're completely ok with what Trinity did then we also need to be ok with what Redlands did. Personally, I'm not a fan of it in any scenario. But after a long game of being heckled by the student section you can't blame the players for trying to get a bit of payback.

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Quote from: D3boarder on March 09, 2025, 01:46:31 PMObviously bad sportsmanship from the Redlands side, but I feel like we're blowing it a bit out of proportion here. Just last week Trinity did the exact same thing to the Wesleyan fans and no one on here seemed to think it was a big deal. Losing to a team that acts like that makes the loss sting even more. Want to shut a team like that up? Win the game

I was at the Wesleyan Trinity game, it was nothing more than banter. The Wesleyan students were giving it to the Trinity players the entire game, nothing bad but heckling the entire game. After the game a few Trinity players went over to the student body, and stuck their shirts out. It lasted maybe 10 seconds. Was not a big deal at all.

I don't disagree. Perhaps Redlands was a bit more egregious but my point still stands. If we're completely ok with what Trinity did then we also need to be ok with what Redlands did. Personally, I'm not a fan of it in any scenario. But after a long game of being heckled by the student section you can't blame the players for trying to get a bit of payback.

Sure. But when you start gesturing to your groin and telling the student section to suck it, there needs to be consequences.

The players running onto the court has to be a T - I hate having a game potentially decided like that, but when you actually impede the opposing team's ability to get a shot off, how can the refs let that go?  I'm no Tufts fan, and that is more egregious than I would have envisioned before seeing the play. 

No one covered themselves in glory at the end of that one.  Redlands players: immature and unsportsmanlike.  However, I have been to many, many NESCAC games and seen a segment, and sometimes a healthy segment, of the supposedly intellectual elite in the student sections take it right up to and sometimes over the line, too.  So even though I wasn't there I am betting that the Tufts cheers were not limited to "Please Go, Jumbos."  It's a sad commentary on everyone that this stuff happens and leaves a bad taste instead of focusing on a great game.

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Quote from: D3boarder on March 09, 2025, 01:46:31 PMObviously bad sportsmanship from the Redlands side, but I feel like we're blowing it a bit out of proportion here. Just last week Trinity did the exact same thing to the Wesleyan fans and no one on here seemed to think it was a big deal. Losing to a team that acts like that makes the loss sting even more. Want to shut a team like that up? Win the game

I was at the Wesleyan Trinity game, it was nothing more than banter. The Wesleyan students were giving it to the Trinity players the entire game, nothing bad but heckling the entire game. After the game a few Trinity players went over to the student body, and stuck their shirts out. It lasted maybe 10 seconds. Was not a big deal at all.

I don't disagree. Perhaps Redlands was a bit more egregious but my point still stands. If we're completely ok with what Trinity did then we also need to be ok with what Redlands did. Personally, I'm not a fan of it in any scenario. But after a long game of being heckled by the student section you can't blame the players for trying to get a bit of payback.

Sure. But when you start gesturing to your groin and telling the student section to suck it, there needs to be consequences.

Agree, and in the Wesleyan/Trinity game that stuff did not happen.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2025, 12:25:26 PMSame thing happened in the CCIW title game - player traveled celebrating the win before the horn.  No call.

Although I thought perhaps the clock started a little slow at Tufts.  I was surprised he had enough time to even get to the rim.  It's funny that they'll review how much time was left on the clock, but rarely to they review whether the clock started on time to begin with.  Seems like both are important when we're talking tenths, right?

I timed it out while putting it on 0.25 speed this morning to see if there was any gap between when the clock did and should have run and it looked to have been dead on

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Quote from: D3boarder on March 09, 2025, 01:46:31 PMObviously bad sportsmanship from the Redlands side, but I feel like we're blowing it a bit out of proportion here. Just last week Trinity did the exact same thing to the Wesleyan fans and no one on here seemed to think it was a big deal. Losing to a team that acts like that makes the loss sting even more. Want to shut a team like that up? Win the game

I was at the Wesleyan Trinity game, it was nothing more than banter. The Wesleyan students were giving it to the Trinity players the entire game, nothing bad but heckling the entire game. After the game a few Trinity players went over to the student body, and stuck their shirts out. It lasted maybe 10 seconds. Was not a big deal at all.

I don't disagree. Perhaps Redlands was a bit more egregious but my point still stands. If we're completely ok with what Trinity did then we also need to be ok with what Redlands did. Personally, I'm not a fan of it in any scenario. But after a long game of being heckled by the student section you can't blame the players for trying to get a bit of payback.

Sure. But when you start gesturing to your groin and telling the student section to suck it, there needs to be consequences.

Agree, and in the Wesleyan/Trinity game that stuff did not happen.

The trin thing was chill as a tufts fan i found it funny and they quickly dispersed

Quote from: nescac1 on March 09, 2025, 02:30:11 PMThe players running onto the court has to be a T - I hate having a game potentially decided like that, but when you actually impede the opposing team's ability to get a shot off, how can the refs let that go?  I'm no Tufts fan, and that is more egregious than I would have envisioned before seeing the play. 

Ultimately they'll let it go because they're going to stop things to review the time anyway.  Once that decision is made, nothing after the bucket counts, so even if Redlands was on the floor before the whistle, it wouldn't matter in the end.

I believe something similar with groin gesturing happened at an Amherst NCAA soccer playoff game and there were consequences for it.  It might have been a couple of years ago.

D3 Datacast says it would be a small upset if a NESCAC team doesn't win the national championship. Wow.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2025, 07:58:10 PMUltimately they'll let it go because they're going to stop things to review the time anyway.  Once that decision is made, nothing after the bucket counts, so even if Redlands was on the floor before the whistle, it wouldn't matter in the end.

I'd agree if that is what happened here.  But from what I'm seeing in that video, there were guys ON THE COURT impeding a live play -- the clock wasn't stopped, Tufts immediately inbounded the ball for a desperation last shot, and there were Redlands bench players trying to run off the court in the middle of the play. As a ref I'd always hate to call a T in a celebration situation, but I've also never seen anything like that where guys came off the bench and were still on the court when it wasn't even a dead ball.