Kiss of death lol. I think they said the same thing last year about Randolph-Macon Hamden-Sydney. How'd that work out.🤔

My guess is 6 teams have a legit shot to win 4 games. Not in any order but NYU, Emory, Wesleyan, Trinity would be the 4 favorites and then UW and wash U. They rest would be a lot for them to win 4 games

Trinity and Wesleyan are 1 + 2 on their rankings so by that definition it makes sense. 

Gross oversimplification but if they both win 2 home games this weekend, we are guaranteed a NESCAC team playing for the championship and the computer will make them the favorite.

I do also think that Trinity should be the overall favorite at this point in time if only because the bracket really opened up for them this weekend. It would be a big surprise if they didn't head back to the Final Four

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2025, 07:58:10 PMUltimately they'll let it go because they're going to stop things to review the time anyway.  Once that decision is made, nothing after the bucket counts, so even if Redlands was on the floor before the whistle, it wouldn't matter in the end.

Do you mind explaining this further?  How do we know the officials were going to stop the game before the whistle? 

Quote from: WUPHF on March 10, 2025, 12:26:47 PM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2025, 07:58:10 PMUltimately they'll let it go because they're going to stop things to review the time anyway.  Once that decision is made, nothing after the bucket counts, so even if Redlands was on the floor before the whistle, it wouldn't matter in the end.

Do you mind explaining this further?  How do we know the officials were going to stop the game before the whistle? 

It's a game winning shot near the end of the game; isn't standard procedure at this point to make sure the time is right?  It makes total sense that Tufts is trying to get the ball in and score, but I can't imagine any ref letting a tournament game like that without checking.

Quote from: SpringSt7 on March 10, 2025, 12:09:07 PMTrinity and Wesleyan are 1 + 2 on their rankings so by that definition it makes sense. 

Gross oversimplification but if they both win 2 home games this weekend, we are guaranteed a NESCAC team playing for the championship and the computer will make them the favorite.

I do also think that Trinity should be the overall favorite at this point in time if only because the bracket really opened up for them this weekend. It would be a big surprise if they didn't head back to the Final Four

Agree, the d3datacast odds for both haven't changed that much since before the first weekend. Wesleyan has actually gone down from a 20.2 to 18.6 to win it all and Trinity has gone up from 28.6 to 32.4.
I believe in D1 now they reseed the final 4, wish they would do same here. Would rather see Wesleyan Trinity III, as the final game. But as you say if they both win 2 games, 1 of them makes the finals!

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2025, 12:38:00 PM

Quote from: WUPHF on March 10, 2025, 12:26:47 PM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2025, 07:58:10 PMUltimately they'll let it go because they're going to stop things to review the time anyway.  Once that decision is made, nothing after the bucket counts, so even if Redlands was on the floor before the whistle, it wouldn't matter in the end.

Do you mind explaining this further?  How do we know the officials were going to stop the game before the whistle? 

It's a game winning shot near the end of the game; isn't standard procedure at this point to make sure the time is right?  It makes total sense that Tufts is trying to get the ball in and score, but I can't imagine any ref letting a tournament game like that without checking.

I don't think it standard unless they think something is wrong. Did Tufts have a time out that they called? If there was no timeout and Redlands players were on the court it's a violation and technical foul. But they are not going to call that unless a Redlands player had impeded something on the court. Did that happen? Was tufts going to score likely not.

As I stated previously, should have never come to that. Foul when they get over half court and have your best player on the court, 4 fouls on him or not. Bad coaching decisions at the end  of the game as well as missed free throw, multiple turn overs and bad fouls. All committed in last 2 minutes. Those were way bigger than the refs missing a call, which they do all the time.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2025, 12:38:00 PM

Quote from: WUPHF on March 10, 2025, 12:26:47 PM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2025, 07:58:10 PMUltimately they'll let it go because they're going to stop things to review the time anyway.  Once that decision is made, nothing after the bucket counts, so even if Redlands was on the floor before the whistle, it wouldn't matter in the end.

Do you mind explaining this further?  How do we know the officials were going to stop the game before the whistle? 

It's a game winning shot near the end of the game; isn't standard procedure at this point to make sure the time is right?  It makes total sense that Tufts is trying to get the ball in and score, but I can't imagine any ref letting a tournament game like that without checking.

They did not do this otherwise 0.5-0.6 would have been added.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2025, 12:38:00 PMIt's a game winning shot near the end of the game; isn't standard procedure at this point to make sure the time is right?  It makes total sense that Tufts is trying to get the ball in and score, but I can't imagine any ref letting a tournament game like that without checking.

I believe this falls under voluntary procedures rather than mandatory procedures.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2025, 12:38:00 PM

Quote from: WUPHF on March 10, 2025, 12:26:47 PM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2025, 07:58:10 PMUltimately they'll let it go because they're going to stop things to review the time anyway.  Once that decision is made, nothing after the bucket counts, so even if Redlands was on the floor before the whistle, it wouldn't matter in the end.

Do you mind explaining this further?  How do we know the officials were going to stop the game before the whistle? 

It's a game winning shot near the end of the game; isn't standard procedure at this point to make sure the time is right?  It makes total sense that Tufts is trying to get the ball in and score, but I can't imagine any ref letting a tournament game like that without checking.

You say that, but they never actually reviewed the clock or redid the inbound with 0.3 remaining.

Not putting more time on the clock still essentially makes the game over if they try to inbounds in the back court. Can't get a shot off in time, it would have to be a full court heave baseball pass to get a tip attempt.

Long time Redlands fan...

1) The school will address the players behavior (AD Jeff Martinez wont stand for it) , I do not condone it but no died so quit being a "B" about it ..take the L, maybe work on press break over complaining
2) The SCIAC does not allow any taunting of players, the SCIAC is very strict about fan issues. So I am sure what the UR players heard was at a level they are not used too. Your school has a bad rep btw, players were warned. So much for that issue.
3) A 5:15 gave the students a long time to warm up for the game, I am sure they were not angels. I doubt the UR players had time to start taunting them, when they are down most of the game. So take some responsibility. 
4) Quit whining about the Refs, they called a game that favored Tuft (which I like how they let it go I hate ticky tack calls) ...a lot of contact on your posts and over the back that are fouls in the SCIAC, I wish all games were called like this one. I did not see any players whine..UR was in better shape and out played/hustle Tuft, UR athletes were superior, UR finally hit some shots and took the win after traveling 2500 miles to your place.

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2025, 12:25:26 PMSame thing happened in the CCIW title game - player traveled celebrating the win before the horn.  No call.

Although I thought perhaps the clock started a little slow at Tufts.  I was surprised he had enough time to even get to the rim.  It's funny that they'll review how much time was left on the clock, but rarely to they review whether the clock started on time to begin with.  Seems like both are important when we're talking tenths, right?

For what it's worth, this is not my experience. They absolutely do that.

I was at the game on Saturday at Tufts. There's so much dialog about everything, but nothing is going to change. The crowd was fine, the Redlands reaction was close to the line but I still thought it was honestly not the worst thing ever. The 4-5 guys that ran on the floor were out there for half a second, and retreated to the bench. It wasn't enough in my opinion to make that tech call. In the end, Redlands made one more play that Tufts did. That's sports. It's no one's fault, no one's to blame, that's just how it goes sometimes. People are upset understandably because they care so much, but name calling and saying Tufts has a reputation of this or that is unfair. I was there both days, and personally I thought the event was well done, administrators were everywhere and handled issues fine and it was a great experience despite the Jumbos loss.

Quote from: ItsATuftSituation on March 10, 2025, 06:32:17 PMI was at the game on Saturday at Tufts. There's so much dialog about everything, but nothing is going to change. The crowd was fine, the Redlands reaction was close to the line but I still thought it was honestly not the worst thing ever. The 4-5 guys that ran on the floor were out there for half a second, and retreated to the bench. It wasn't enough in my opinion to make that tech call. In the end, Redlands made one more play that Tufts did. That's sports. It's no one's fault, no one's to blame, that's just how it goes sometimes. People are upset understandably because they care so much, but name calling and saying Tufts has a reputation of this or that is unfair. I was there both days, and personally I thought the event was well done, administrators were everywhere and handled issues fine and it was a great experience despite the Jumbos loss.

Post of the year. Bravo.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2025, 02:48:40 PM

Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2025, 12:25:26 PMSame thing happened in the CCIW title game - player traveled celebrating the win before the horn.  No call.

Although I thought perhaps the clock started a little slow at Tufts.  I was surprised he had enough time to even get to the rim.  It's funny that they'll review how much time was left on the clock, but rarely to they review whether the clock started on time to begin with.  Seems like both are important when we're talking tenths, right?

For what it's worth, this is not my experience. They absolutely do that.

That's good to know.