2015 POOL C

[Mr.Right]

Not to mention why not book Loras to Kansas City now. Very easy bracket

Don't jump to conclusions. DePauw beat them 2-0 earlier this year and they are in the same bracket.

I have seen DePauw play and they do not look very threatening

[Bucket]

Midd was kind of like Stockton in the NJAC. Good record but when you really look into their wins they did not beat the top 4 of their own conference. Committee must have not counted Midd's 5 out of conference wins so really 8-2-2. Beating Colby , Bates. 6-2-2. Beating a down Williams and Wesleyan. 4-2-1. Beating a weak Trinity twice 2-2-1. So 2-2-1. THAT IS WHY

Well, let's don't change the facts. 4th place team was Conn, a team Midd beat. 5th was Williams, another team Midd beat. (One has to go down to 5th to gauge the top 4 teams Midd played in the conference as the Panthers, finishing second, couldn't exactly beat themselves.) Bowdoin had a great run in the tourney, but they still finished in 6th. Also, Tufts lost to one of the weak teams that Midd beat.

I agree that this appears to be why, but it seems like a contorted way to pick one over the other.

And, honestly, I have less of an issue with Tufts getting selected over the Panthers as I do RPI or Plattsburgh.

[wingtips2]

So Montclair, Tufts, Kenyon, F&M, OWU, Calvin all in same bracket, and that's not counting TMC, CMU, Chicago, MSOE...

Absolutely brutal!! Whomever emerges may not have the juice left to go on.

[wingtips2]

SLU Gets their wish with no NESCAC and punished with Haverford.   Instant classic in the making.    Crap draw for both

2 of my first final 4 picks thrown together early.

And how the f:€£ did RPI get in?
If you are 7th best in your conference, how are you going to get in the tourney. Letting Denison in would have been a better choice of conference tourney non-participants.

[wingtips2]

Not to mention why not book Loras to Kansas City now. Very easy bracket

Don't jump to conclusions. DePauw beat them 2-0 earlier this year and they are in the same bracket.

I have seen DePauw play and they do not look very threatening

But they were threatening enough to have beaten Loras already

[Brother Flounder]

Midd was kind of like Stockton in the NJAC. Good record but when you really look into their wins they did not beat the top 4 of their own conference. Committee must have not counted Midd's 5 out of conference wins so really 8-2-2. Beating Colby , Bates. 6-2-2. Beating a down Williams and Wesleyan. 4-2-1. Beating a weak Trinity twice 2-2-1. So 2-2-1. THAT IS WHY

Well, let's don't change the facts. 4th place team was Conn, a team Midd beat. 5th was Williams, another team Midd beat. Bowdoin had a great run in the tourney, but they still finished in 6th. Also, Tufts lost to one of the weak teams that Midd beat.

I agree that this appears to be why, but it seems like a contorted way to pick one over the other.

And, honestly, I have less of an issue with Tufts getting selected over the Panthers as I do RPI or Plattsburgh.

Definitely agree with the RPI and Plattsburgh comment...

[SandyMac]

SLU Gets their wish with no NESCAC and punished with Haverford.   Instant classic in the making.    Crap draw for both

SLU will take this bracket all day.  NESCAC schools have just had their number lately, be it tough calls/shootouts/OT losses.  They'll be thrilled to be at home on Sandy for the first round, and like their chances going away to a team who at least plays on a decent grass surface.

[lastguyoffthebench]

Great Lakes (52 teams) with 4 Pool C is the shocker for me atleast.

DePauw over Middlebury.  I guess Middlebury 1-2-1 vs. DePauw 3-3-2 is what did them in?  Midd win % was .822 to DePauw .722...  Nearly identical SOS.

UAA gets 4 teams (no problems with Chicago getting in)
NCAC gets 3 teams (DePauw is 2-10 in the NCAA tourney)
NESCAC gets 3 teams (shoulda been 4 given the size of the region, IMO)
NJAC gets 3 teams
Centennial gets 3 teams

[TennesseeJed]

Not to mention why not book Loras to Kansas City now. Very easy bracket

Don't jump to conclusions. DePauw beat them 2-0 earlier this year and they are in the same bracket.

I have seen DePauw play and they do not look very threatening

They did not look threatening against OWU in the NCAC Semis, if that's your point of reference, but they didn't really show up to that game, unfortunately.  We'll see how they do, obviously, but they've got game if they choose to bring it.  I'd say they're an easy favorite over Westminster in rd 1 and could be a very interesting match for Wash U potentially in 2nd.

[Bucket]

What I don't get about the Midd-Tufts thing is why wasn't Tufts ahead of Middlebury in the third published rankings if the committee liked the Tufts' SoS and RvR more than Middlebury's win pct.?  Hardly anything changed on the resumes in the final week.  Tufts didn't play, Middlebury tied Wesleyan.  I can see the argument for Tufts over Middlebury based on the criteria and how we know they esp. like SoS and wins vs. ranked teams, but then why wasn't that already reflected in the third rankings.

Does this not bring back the question of, is there favor towards the reigning champion to defend their title?

It's a good question. There's not supposed to be, but it had to be in the back of the minds of those ranking the teams in the region. How does a tie drop a team below a team that was idle?

In any case, Tufts getting selected over Middlebury is frustrating to me, but I can also see it is within reason. What makes no sense to me is the selection of Plattsburgh and RPI over Middlebury, as presumably each of those teams were selected when Middlebury had moved to the top of New England.

[lastguyoffthebench]

Given the depth of the NE region you'd think there would be 4 teams... You'd assume a 4th team makes it.

Final answer is Chicago last team in.   Incredibly high SOS, 4-5 RvR, only 5 losses.   If they don't get in, we can safely say a 7 loss Camden team with a 5-3-2 RvR and similar SOS would have not made it. My guess is Chicago Atleast bumps North Park... Possibly AQ MSOE too

Was Chicago possibly the last team in?

[blooter442]

Was Chicago possibly the last team in?

Would have to think that Tufts would have come before Chicago or RPI, so I'd say they were odds-even with RPI for last team.

[PaulNewman]

Forgot to check what happened in last Colorado Coll vs Trinity game.  Trinity won 1-0 on a PK in 25th minute.  Colorado outshot the Tigers 12 to 5 with advantage in corners 4 to 2.  Colorado's 3 losses -- twice to Trinity (and beat Trinity once) and early game with Redlands.

[Mr.Right]

Maybe they wanted to save $$$ and not fly them anywhere. Colorado College should petition the NCAA and say we will be happy to hop on a bus just allow us to play

[lastguyoffthebench]

Yes, MIT E-town and TMC with nearly identical resumes, but MIT is the benefactor of the larger region and will get in over both.

MIT, Etown, TMC in that order of how they get selected/if they get selected.

You would have to think TMC might have been the geography choice of the year, as MR.Right has indicated...  The Mid-Atlantic was a stronger region AND has more teams (60) to Great Lakes (52), but only got TWO Pool C to Great Lakes FOUR!

TMC:       .868 / .525 / 1-1-1 RvR  BEAT OWU 5-1, TIED DePauw 2-2
E-town:   .878 / .520 / 2-1-0 RvR  BEAT DICKINSON 2-1, BEAT MESSIAH 1-0