Conference changes

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Patrick Coleman

St. Elizabeth is following Pratt to the "NEWNYAC" in the fall of 2027-28.
https://d3sports.com/notables/2026/03/st-elizabeth-to-newnyac
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ziggy

This leaves the AEC with just four schools for 27-28?

If we are to believe the UEC-AEC "it's not a merger" announcement, seems to me we will see some UEC schools move over to balance membership numbers to retain two AQs between the partner (is that what we call it?) conferences.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: ziggy on Yesterday at 11:48:01 AMThis leaves the AEC with just four schools for 27-28?

If we are to believe the UEC-AEC "it's not a merger" announcement, seems to me we will see some UEC schools move over to balance membership numbers to retain two AQs between the partner (is that what we call it?) conferences.

I suspect this is a "can we get to 27-28 with 14 total schools so we can keep two AQs in everything" situation.
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Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on Yesterday at 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: ziggy on Yesterday at 11:48:01 AMThis leaves the AEC with just four schools for 27-28?

If we are to believe the UEC-AEC "it's not a merger" announcement, seems to me we will see some UEC schools move over to balance membership numbers to retain two AQs between the partner (is that what we call it?) conferences.

Are we hearing rumbles of financial troubles amongst the "13 plus 4" schools

I suspect this is a "can we get to 27-28 with 14 total schools so we can keep two AQs in everything" situation.
Or the current UEC-13 plus Gwynedd Mercy, Immaculata, Marymount and Centenary NJ to split into 2 conferences for the core number of sports?

Or are we hearing rumbles of any of the 13 + 4 schools having financial troubles?

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jeffconn

Aren't ALL small private liberal arts colleges having monetary issues these days?

Also, haven't there been talks about merging some of the smaller Penn State's?

thebear

Quote from: jeffconn on Yesterday at 09:07:56 PMAren't ALL small private liberal arts colleges having monetary issues these days?

Also, haven't there been talks about merging some of the smaller Penn State's?

More than talks, they have announced the closure of seven of the "Commonwealth Campuses" at the end of Spring 2027.  I only see the following as D3 schools and none of them appear to be closing.  PSU-Abington, PSU-Altoona, PSU-Behrend, PSU-Berks, PSU-Brandywine, PSU-Harrisburg
 
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Gregory Sager

Quote from: thebear on Today at 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: jeffconn on Yesterday at 09:07:56 PMAren't ALL small private liberal arts colleges having monetary issues these days?

Also, haven't there been talks about merging some of the smaller Penn State's?

More than talks, they have announced the closure of seven of the "Commonwealth Campuses" at the end of Spring 2027.  I only see the following as D3 schools and none of them appear to be closing.  PSU-Abington, PSU-Altoona, PSU-Behrend, PSU-Berks, PSU-Brandywine, PSU-Harrisburg

Like Illinois, California, and several other states, Pennsylvania has two separate sets of public schools. One is the Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education, which consists of all of the schools that compete athletically in D2's PSAC (Kutztown, Slippery Rock, Millersville, etc.), and the other is the Commonwealth System of Higher Education, which consists of the various branches of the Pennsylvania State University (including the main Big Ten campus in State College, PA, as well as all of the D3 branches) and the three public/private hybrids (Temple, Pitt, and Lincoln).

The PSSHE schools have been contracting and consolidating over the past few years, and on the one hand it would thus seem to me that they are the ones that are ripe for closure. It's therefore slightly surprising that it's Commonwealth System campuses that are going to close instead, especially since the PSU diploma confers much more academic cachet than the PSSHE schools can offer; Penn State's Carnegie Classification rating is R1 (highest rank among research universities), and it's a member of the prestigious AAU, which is a consortium of America's top-level research universities.

But, on the other hand, the decision likely came down to economies of scale, since the PSSHE schools tend to be bigger on average than the PSU branch campuses in the Commonwealth System. Some of those PSU branches are quite tiny; fifteen of them have student populations under 1,000, including the ones that are closing (PSU-DuBois, PSU-Fayette, PSU-Mont Alto, PSU-New Kensington, PSU-Shenango, PSU-Wilkes-Barre, and PSU-York). Fortunately, all of the D3 branches are bigger; PSU-Brandywine is the smallest, at a little over a thousand students, and the others are either over 2,000 or close to it.
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They essentially closed the 2-year campuses.  I'd heard Brandywine was also on the chopping block, but it's proximity to Philadelphia kept it alive.
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