Do Division III Schools Make "Concessions" in Admitting Student-Athletes?

[Ralph Turner]

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/09/04/harvards_admissions_of_gilt/

Yes, I thought that the headline was what I expected from the Boston Globe.  Specifically that creative turn of the word was, shall we use a neologism, "inciteful".

[mattvsmith]

Again, forgive my ignorance, but must public universities really adhere to more strict standards?  Do they really not have as much leniency as private schools do?  I guess that makes sense when you think about it.

CS,
The Rev has just finished a couple courses in College Counseling.  The Rev wouldn't say that the public schools have stricter standards, but rather they are stricter in applying their standards.

What I mean by that is a private school may require grades that are 90% or higher, while a public school may require grades 80% or higher.  So the standard at the private school is stricter.  Now when it actually comes to applying the standard.  At a private school, an applicant could have a grade lower than 90 and the private school can be flexible.  For example, a 85 in English isn't going to sink the kid.  In an application to the public school, every grade must meet the minimum grade.  A kid could have all 100s except one grade that is below 80%, the app will be rejected.  (Nota bene: not all states will necessarily be as strict as this.)

The Rev failed 9th grade, passing only Health, Gym, English and Social Studies.  The second round of 9th grade, The Rev only failed one course, and barely passed a couple of others.  10th grade was better, not only no failures, but nothing below 85.  11th grade was even better, with grades popping up into the 90's AND he was taking college prep courses rather than basic courses.  Senior year, The Rev had all high 90's.

The Rev was rejected by the second and third rate SUNY schools, but was accepted by Beloit and Hobart.  Beloit and Hobart looked favorably upon at The Rev's transformation from a spaz to a top-notch student.  SUNY did not have the capability built into the system to allow a person who was a recovered spaz, even though The Rev's sophomore, junior and senior grades blew the doors off of the requirements of the lower SUNYs.

[Ralph Turner]

Again, forgive my ignorance, but must public universities really adhere to more strict standards?  Do they really not have as much leniency as private schools do?  I guess that makes sense when you think about it.

CS,
The Rev has just finished a couple courses in College Counseling.  The Rev wouldn't say that the public schools have stricter standards, but rather they are stricter in applying their standards.

What I mean by that is a private school may require grades that are 90% or higher, while a public school may require grades 80% or higher.  So the standard at the private school is stricter.  Now when it actually comes to applying the standard.  At a private school, an applicant could have a grade lower than 90 and the private school can be flexible.  For example, a 85 in English isn't going to sink the kid.  In an application to the public school, every grade must meet the minimum grade.  A kid could have all 100s except one grade that is below 80%, the app will be rejected.  (Nota bene: not all states will necessarily be as strict as this.)

The Rev failed 9th grade, passing only Health, Gym, English and Social Studies.  The second round of 9th grade, The Rev only failed one course, and barely passed a couple of others.  10th grade was better, not only no failures, but nothing below 85.  11th grade was even better, with grades popping up into the 90's AND he was taking college prep courses rather than basic courses.  Senior year, The Rev had all high 90's.

The Rev was rejected by the second and third rate SUNY schools, but was accepted by Beloit and Hobart.  Beloit and Hobart looked favorably upon at The Rev's transformation from a spaz to a top-notch student.  SUNY did not have the capability built into the system to allow a person who was a recovered spaz, even though The Rev's sophomore, junior and senior grades blew the doors off of the requirements of the lower SUNYs.

Yeah, I know what you mean...

The "testosteronization" of an adolescent boy's brain is not a pretty thing.

The characterization of Spock's cranium in the third Star Trek movie (when the planet was cracking up) was quite a fitting cinematic depiction of the process.

[MUCheats]

Again, forgive my ignorance, but must public universities really adhere to more strict standards?  Do they really not have as much leniency as private schools do?  I guess that makes sense when you think about it.

CS,
The Rev has just finished a couple courses in College Counseling.  The Rev wouldn't say that the public schools have stricter standards, but rather they are stricter in applying their standards.

What I mean by that is a private school may require grades that are 90% or higher, while a public school may require grades 80% or higher.  So the standard at the private school is stricter.  Now when it actually comes to applying the standard.  At a private school, an applicant could have a grade lower than 90 and the private school can be flexible.  For example, a 85 in English isn't going to sink the kid.  In an application to the public school, every grade must meet the minimum grade.  A kid could have all 100s except one grade that is below 80%, the app will be rejected.  (Nota bene: not all states will necessarily be as strict as this.)

The Rev failed 9th grade, passing only Health, Gym, English and Social Studies.  The second round of 9th grade, The Rev only failed one course, and barely passed a couple of others.  10th grade was better, not only no failures, but nothing below 85.  11th grade was even better, with grades popping up into the 90's AND he was taking college prep courses rather than basic courses.  Senior year, The Rev had all high 90's.

The Rev was rejected by the second and third rate SUNY schools, but was accepted by Beloit and Hobart.  Beloit and Hobart looked favorably upon at The Rev's transformation from a spaz to a top-notch student.  SUNY did not have the capability built into the system to allow a person who was a recovered spaz, even though The Rev's sophomore, junior and senior grades blew the doors off of the requirements of the lower SUNYs.

Gotcha.  That's what I was thinking when I made the above statement, though I didn't explain it as eloquently or thoroughly as you did.

[cush]

Here is a post from the ND board about their standards for football players:

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=football;pid=8592;d=this

[Joe Wally]

I do not know what a given admissions department might, or might not, do in order to bring a student athlete to a school.  I can tell you, after four years of living amongst a number of d-III athletes, the faculty gave NO BREAKS! 

Guys missed practice to finish chem labs, not the opposite.

[Wydown Blvd.]

Article from ESPN about Admissions Exceptions for D1 Athletes:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4781264

At Texas, the average SAT score for a freshman football player from 2003 to 2005 was 945 -- or 320 points lower than the typical first-year student's score on the entrance exam.

[John Gleich]

I do not know what a given admissions department might, or might not, do in order to bring a student athlete to a school.  I can tell you, after four years of living amongst a number of d-III athletes, the faculty gave NO BREAKS! 

Guys missed practice to finish chem labs, not the opposite.

At UWSP, there were some pro-athlete profs and some who were anti-athlete.  Luckily, I never had any that were dead-set against student athletes and I had plenty who cheered us on as we played, but I heard some ugly stories.

[Ron Boerger]

Article from ESPN about Admissions Exceptions for D1 Athletes:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4781264

At Texas, the average SAT score for a freshman football player from 2003 to 2005 was 945 -- or 320 points lower than the typical first-year student's score on the entrance exam.

Amusingly, from the same article:

Texas was one of seven schools that reported no use of special admissions, instead describing "holistic" standards that consider each applicant individually rather than relying on minimum test scores and grade-point averages.

AKA if you can play the football at a high enough level, that 'holistic standard' gets you into the school regardless of whether or not you can tie your shoelaces by yourself.  That 945 is an AVERAGE ... meaning there are students getting in who got most of their score from completing the name and address section correctly.  Crimeny.

[frank uible]

"Holistic" means that a hole exists where SAT scores should be.

[Wydown Blvd.]

+1 lol

[frank uible]

Wydown: Treat yourself to a pizza at Pi!

[Wydown Blvd.]

Great stuff isnt it! I have been several times. I still have a little east coast in me though and can eat a whole pie with extra cheese from Brooklyn.