The decline of the Division III Football Pool C bid

[Pat Coleman]

It is a travesty that the playoffs are dictated by the all mighty dollar from the NCAA. We all understand that it costs money to travel and that will never change, but there are things that could be done to lessen the cost. Why not work a deal with an airline company that we would use exclusively for a lower rate during the 4 weeks of the playoffs.

The NCAA already contracts its charter flights in this manner.

[Ralph Turner]

And ... just announced by D3sports, the USA South is splitting in two effective next year, but apparently all the football schools leaving the USAS will remain as affiliates in the USAS so no impact to bids.  https://d3sports.com/notables/2022/02/usa-south-to-split-in-two

I look for Asbury in Wilmore KY to join the CCS.

What about Bob Jones and Warren Wilson?

Maybe...
Warren Wilson is 75 miles from Bob Jones in Greenville SC. (Travel partner?)

Warren Wilson just east of Asheville NC area in far western NC.  It is ~120 miles from Swannanoa NC to Maryville TN.
It is 217 miles to Covenant College just south of Chattanooga; it is 129 miles to Piedmont in Demorest GA.

To Agnes Scott in Decatur GA, 211 miles
To Wesleyan Georgia, 295 miles.

There you have an East Division for the CCS.

Warren Wilson to Mary Baldwin, in Staunton VA, 323 miles in the far north.
But Warren Wilson to Brevard, NC 42 miles
... to Pfeiffer in Misenheimer NC 140.

Bob Jones to Brevard 46 miles.

I bet that both stay in the USA South.

[SW1]

Looks like I read somewhere the new scoreboard for Michigan football cost more than the entire budget for d3 sports. Nice to have priorities, and if this is true then we see how much student athletes mean to the NCAA.

[Pat Coleman]

No idea whether that is true but even if so, not sure why you are comparing these apples and oranges. The NCAA budget does not pay for Michigan's scoreboard.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Looks like I read somewhere the new scoreboard for Michigan football cost more than the entire budget for d3 sports. Nice to have priorities, and if this is true then we see how much student athletes mean to the NCAA.

UM Scoreboard - $41 Million
2021-22 NCAA D3 Budget - $35.1 Million (3.18% of NCAA Operating Budget)

[jknezek]

Looks like I read somewhere the new scoreboard for Michigan football cost more than the entire budget for d3 sports. Nice to have priorities, and if this is true then we see how much student athletes mean to the NCAA.

Not sure why this is relevant at all. The NCAA has nothing to do with this. You might as well look at ticket revenue from a single game at the Big House and compare it to ticket revenue for all of the D3 playoffs. It's an irrelevant stat for an irrelevant comparison.

[MRMIKESMITH]

Looks like I read somewhere the new scoreboard for Michigan football cost more than the entire budget for d3 sports. Nice to have priorities, and if this is true then we see how much student athletes mean to the NCAA.

Not sure why this is relevant at all. The NCAA has nothing to do with this. You might as well look at ticket revenue from a single game at the Big House and compare it to ticket revenue for all of the D3 playoffs. It's an irrelevant stat for an irrelevant comparison.

I think it could be meant to say that those schools are fine without the NCAA necessarily, there is no reason why DII/DIII playoffs needs to be regionalized. If they gave DII/DIII another 50% of what they have, playoffs would not be an issue. Those DI programs can afford to travel on their own private jets. There can be some subsidization, but those top programs don't need NCAA catering that hard.

[jknezek]

Looks like I read somewhere the new scoreboard for Michigan football cost more than the entire budget for d3 sports. Nice to have priorities, and if this is true then we see how much student athletes mean to the NCAA.

Not sure why this is relevant at all. The NCAA has nothing to do with this. You might as well look at ticket revenue from a single game at the Big House and compare it to ticket revenue for all of the D3 playoffs. It's an irrelevant stat for an irrelevant comparison.

I think it could be meant to say that those schools are fine without the NCAA necessarily, there is no reason why DII/DIII playoffs needs to be regionalized. If they gave DII/DIII another 50% of what they have, playoffs would not be an issue. Those DI programs can afford to travel on their own private jets. There can be some subsidization, but those top programs don't need NCAA catering that hard.

Except the NCAA isn't catering to them. They make all the money. We are the ones being catered to because we just cost money. The "give us more money" crowd is a bit nutty, because it ignores the fact that we are essentially a charity for the D1 Basketball tournament. Charities say thank you for what they recieve and wish for more, but when charities start saying... "hey, you owe us money so fork more over because you don't need it", charities lose their donors real fast.

And it ignores the fact that most D1 athletic departments run in the red. Yes, the biggest of the best make money, lots of it, but most don't. So why go more in the red to pay more to, essentially, a charity with a little bit of voting power?

D3 knows if the P5 take their ball and their money and go, it gets worse. Much worse. So be thankful, not greedy. Is it perfect? No. Does it really suck for island teams? Yes. But the world isn't fair, and sometimes you need to understand how much worse it could be before you go moaning about it.

[Ralph Turner]

Looks like I read somewhere the new scoreboard for Michigan football cost more than the entire budget for d3 sports. Nice to have priorities, and if this is true then we see how much student athletes mean to the NCAA.

Not sure why this is relevant at all. The NCAA has nothing to do with this. You might as well look at ticket revenue from a single game at the Big House and compare it to ticket revenue for all of the D3 playoffs. It's an irrelevant stat for an irrelevant comparison.

I think it could be meant to say that those schools are fine without the NCAA necessarily, there is no reason why DII/DIII playoffs needs to be regionalized. If they gave DII/DIII another 50% of what they have, playoffs would not be an issue. Those DI programs can afford to travel on their own private jets. There can be some subsidization, but those top programs don't need NCAA catering that hard.

Except the NCAA isn't catering to them. They make all the money. We are the ones being catered to because we just cost money. The "give us more money" crowd is a bit nutty, because it ignores the fact that we are essentially a charity for the D1 Basketball tournament. Charities say thank you for what they recieve and wish for more, but when charities start saying... "hey, you owe us money so fork more over because you don't need it", charities lose their donors real fast.

And it ignores the fact that most D1 athletic departments run in the red. Yes, the biggest of the best make money, lots of it, but most don't. So why go more in the red to pay more to, essentially, a charity with a little bit of voting power?

D3 knows if the P5 take their ball and their money and go, it gets worse. Much worse. So be thankful, not greedy. Is it perfect? No. Does it really suck for island teams? Yes. But the world isn't fair, and sometimes you need to understand how much worse it could be before you go moaning about it.

... which is why Hartford is reclassifying from D-1 to D-3...