WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[odacbballfan]

Anyone know how many roanoke players had D1 looks? 

[odacbballfan]

Am I going to lose Karma for that? Congratulations to Roanoke for a big win, makes things exciting at the top of the leader board

[GAVA]

until katy herr lovell gets national player of the year, wins a few ODAC championships, and is a 2 time all-american, i think comparisons should be avoided.

I'm having trouble understanding why Silva and Herr Lovell can't be compared?

I took a statistical approach ... and when done, you can't say they aren't close in production.  No one is saying Herr Lovell is "better" than Silva.  But I also won't say Silva is "better" than Herr Lovell.  That's simply a subjective opinion.

Matt you are the one being subjective. look at those stats. Twice as many points, twice as many assists, twice as many steals. Silva is the all time record holder for ODAC in all 3 categories. She is the all time leading men or women's scorer in ODAC history. She was D3 POY. She is the best woman to EVER have played ODAC. She is in a class of one, above all the other great players including Herr. And I expect she will remain there for a decade or more.

[odacbballfan]

I can't take it any more. Let's just all agree that Silva and Herr are the greatest players ever to play basketball at any level. In fact I don't know how the ODAC will survive once Herr graduates this year. It will be like watching a bad jv basketball game because there are no other athletes at any of the other ODAC schools. Maybe to save everyone the pain and suffering we should consider folding all the ODAC women's basketball programs. I mean really what will the point be to play. The money saved can be added back into the schools other sports. We can just invite Megan and Katie back to play in a one-on-one exhibition game and everyone can sit in awe of them. Another option the ODAC should consider, if they decide to keep women's bball after this season is to rename the ODAC the Silva Herr-Lovell Athletic Conference (The SHLAC that has kind of a nice ring to it). Or, heaven forbid, they ever decide to split the ODAC into two divisions we can have the Silva Division and the Herr-Lovell Division. I don't want to take anything away from either of these players, obviously Megan Silva was a class act and in a class of her own, and Katie is a very good basketball player (Sorry that is all I am giving her), but open your eyes people there are LOTS of very talented players in this conference!

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

GAVA,

You're certainly entitled to your own opinion.  I'm sure there are a lot of posters/readers that agree with you.  Silva was a great player, no question.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

vwcbeachbum,

I know what I'm about to say is painfully obvious to every reader of this thread, but most of your posts are not constructive.

Debating if a player is great, or why a team is superior, is the very thing that drives these threads.  But there's a way to do it.  For instance, GAVA and I can disagree on a topic, but I think we mutually respect one anothers opinions.

Just curious as to how you think being deliberately sarcastic with your posts will get meaningful reaction out of anyone?  This very post right here by me isn't even meaningful.  I'm sure I'll even lose karma for pointing out the obvious.  But after you last couple posts, I'm starting to think you are ignorant to your ill-bred comments.

I think I've said this before, but perhaps it's worth repeating.  I know you probably careless what others think about you and your posts (in an odd way, you probably enjoy this kind of attention), but it's pretty likely you are just embarrassing the rest of the Marlin fan base.  If Coach Dunmyer even checks this thread, I'm sure she isn't too "proud" that one of her few vocal fans is so coarse.  I suspect you don't even care.

Anyway, just thought I'd state the obvious.  Knowing your posting history, I'm pretty confident you'll respond with something sarcastic.  If so, I'll simply join the many who scroll past your posts.  And that would be sad seeing that the Marlins are having a great year and you actually have a lot of good things to say about them.

[odacbballfan]

And that would be sad seeing that the Marlins are having a great year and you actually have a lot of good things to say about them.

How can anyone get a word in edge wise about any other team that doesn't involve Megan Silva or Katie Herr-Lovell. The Marlins don't have any 1,000 point scorers, anyone leading any statistical category in the ODAC, no one claiming to be a D1 prospect, they had ONE 2nd team all conference player last year (Heather Phillips) and she is just now starting to get back into the line up after an early season injury and yet they have found a way to be 10-3 and have 1 conference loss.  That is what is most unfortunate about most of the posters on this board. If they can't see it in the stat line they can't see it at all. Throw your stat sheets away and just sit back and watch a game. I don't need a bunch of stats read off to me to know that Megan Silva was a great player, I don't need to see her numbers next to Katie Herr's to know that Katie is a good basketball player. If you put Katie's numbers next to anyone on the VWC roster she blows them away and somehow the Marlins find themselves in a tie for first place and somehow Roanoke was able to defeat the Eagles last night. The point is there are MANY outstanding players in this conference on every team and this board continues to discuss only two, one of which is no longer playing. Lets be thankful that we had the chance to see Megan Silva play, enjoy watching Katie Herr finish her career and realize that, amazingly enough,  life in the ODAC will go on without either of them.

[odac fan 4 life]

Once again....vwcbeachbum....I am embarrassed to say I am from the same area as you are (assuming you are from the VA Beach area).

VWC is playing awesome, and it would be great if there were more VWC people posting on this board, but there's not. Hats off to good RMC and BC fans who support their teams and players and fill this board. Since that is all who seems to post, then of course they are going to talk about their players and their teams.

WHO CARES!!!!

I agree with Matt, I have just started ignoring your posts all together since they are NEVER constructive. You do fellow Marlins shame.

[odac fan 4 life]

I am not a die hard fan of anyone, but since I am in the Valley now I will make it to EMU and BC games and enjoy seeing the home teams win, but I also enjoyed seeing an upset last night as it makes this conference very even (I am of course talking about the BC vs. Roanoke game).

Roanoke played very intense and you could tell they wanted this one. I guess everyone picks up their games when they play a top 25 team.

On a side note, I think Cindi McGraw for Roanoke has invented a new way to score. Five times last night she fell flat on her back after she threw up a shot and someone came to box her out, and that accounted for two fouls and five free throws (one was after a triple). The BC fans kept telling the refs that it was acting, which it probably was. She should get actor of the year.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

On a side note, I think Cindi McGraw for Roanoke has invented a new way to score. Five times last night she fell flat on her back after she threw up a shot and someone came to box her out, and that accounted for two fouls and five free throws (one was after a triple). The BC fans kept telling the refs that it was acting, which it probably was. She should get actor of the year.

Haha ... I remember that happening.  It was funny to hear the fans yell "are you serious?!" every time it did occur.  Kudos to her to tricking the refs.

[whitecaylxx]

I know "vabeachbum" is caustic, but you all aren't really listening to what he/she says.  There ARE more fantastic players in the Odac than Katy & Megan, but that is who most people drone on about.  Some people get tired of it.  Kudos to Roanoke - I'm sure no one saw that game coming.  I don't think it was because McGraw was a good "actor" though.  0-16 at the start of the game speaks for itself.

[Old School Marlin]

Okay, since the call is out for V-dubb fans to chime in, I'm off my year vacation from this site and back to posting. 

I know people don't want to hear it, but vwcbeachbum is not shaming VWC fans, he/she is just voicing what a lot of people from Roanoke, Hollins, Lynchburg, EMU, Emory & Henry, RMWC, W&L, Guilford, and of course VWC are thinking and maybe not saying.  We all agree that there have been incredible players throughout the years in the ODAC, some and most probably not the same caliber as Silva and Herr Lovell.  And because of their careers being so recent (and ongoing) it's easy to continue giving them props.  They deserve years of props.  I'm sure VWC and the rest will go on to have their Silvas and Herr Lovells in the next years -it's a cycle, I know.  It's just tough when the posts now are so RMC and BC dominated when other school's fans don't flood the posts with how great their teams are doing and how well-rounded and consistent they are.  It does seem like every year we continue to focus on Randy Mac and BC - although it does happen with teams like Duke and Syracuse, etc who are "supposed" to be great every year.  It's repetitive, but a good reason more fans should show up on here and support their school.  VWC is on top now and that's something they should be proud of.  They have a bench full of contributors and that is what a team is truly about.  BC is and will continue to have a fantastic year, which is great for the ODAC, as well as other schools showing up to play  (Nice Noke!)  Not to get mushy, but we really should notice teams beyond their one player and teams who don't have a superstar and are continuing to step it up and do well. 

Blah blah blah, go Marlins and go ODAC!

[Pat Coleman]

I agree with Matt, I have just started ignoring your posts all together since they are NEVER constructive. You do fellow Marlins shame.

Actually, I had no problem with this particular beachbum post.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Old School Marlin and whitecaylxx,

I don't think you all are getting it.  I, along with many other posters on d3sports.com, take the approach that if someone is talking about a subject they care not of, then you simply don't speak on it.

Now, if "bum" really does care about the Silva-Herr Lovell topic that was brought up, and would like to voice his/her opinion, perhaps he/she could provide a handful of names he/she thinks deserves being in the Silva-Herr Lovell comparision from the past 10 years.  Perhaps a Katrina Williams (Roanoke, 1999-03) or a Laura Haynes (Guilford, 1994-98).

If he/she really cared, maybe even throw out some names of current players who deserve recognition for being the top player in the league.  Those who come to my mind would be a Erin Hanson (RC), a Caroline Wesley (LC), a Jessica Hunsinger (W&L), or a healthy Heather Phillips (VWC).

Instead, "bum" simply tries to silence the conversation rather than contribute or ignore it.

So ... what am I still not getting?

[Old School Marlin]

Nothing really Matt.  I agree, people talking about good players is a part of the discussion about ODAC women's basketball on this board.  All I am saying is that it's not just about the best individuals on the teams, or the best individuals to play in the ODAC (although we should all be proud of them for being part of our much loved conference), it's about the teams.  It's not a competition between Silva vs. Herr, Wesley vs. Phillips, it's about the great battles every year between Roanoke vs. E&H, etc.  It's about who's beating who on the boards and whose assist/turnover ratio is the best its ever been. There's much more to say about ODAC women's basketball than continously trying to "stick" it to other teams' fans how great their "great" is in comparison to other.  Nothing wrong with a little pride, but again it's so repetitive and individual.  I guess I'd just like to see more rah rah for the team effort aspect than always reading about the "I" in the "TEAM".  And much kudos for those who do so - and there are many.

(And I promise, for those who may think so, this is not a (excuse the expression) "butt hurt" comment from a V-dubb fan who hasn't seen a championship (like our men!) or longs for a Silva of our own.  It's just getting pretty old reading the same posts about the same people.  Just wanting a little more well rounded discussion.)  

And maybe you're right Matt, if this is the way it continues, then we should all write praise after praise of our own players to keep up with everyone else.  It's all good.