WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[hoopstermom]

Will be an interesting final week of regular season play to determine tournament seedings.

I was not at the RMC-BC game nor did I get to hear or see any of it on the internet, but looking at the box score, it is glaringly apparent that RMC lost this game at the free throw line.  Specifically not due to their lack of making their FTs, but due to the disparity in opportunities.  RMC made 10 of 12 attempts, for an 83% avg, but BC got to the line 35 times !!!  They only made 60% of their attempts, but that's a heck of a difference especially when you only lose by 4 points.

Can anyone who was there give more details?

[BH2OFan]

15 FT attempts came in the last 3ish minutes when RMC was fouling to stop the clock.
I give the Jackets a lot of credit for not throwing in the towel when down by over 20 early in the second half. Good thing for the Eagles it wasn't a 41 minute game They need to keep their foot on the gas, the pressure defense creating transition opportunities is when they are at their best.

[wmjofva]

If one goes to "play by play' section on the Boxscore of any game, you can see how and when the fouls are called...that's more important than how many for the total game.  When in the first half Bridgewater held a 17 pt lead at the 2:11 mark...Bridgewater had 6 team fouls...RM-C 7 team fouls...most interesting thing about that is Jordan Burkholder had no fouls in first half I could find.  BUT she did seem to foul out with 5 before the game as over.

If she can keep herself in the game it really helps Bridgewater and that may be why RM-C made such a strong run in the 2nd half...same thing happened when W &L played at Bridgewater...when she goes to the bench for foolish fouls...the team slides.

Good win for Bridgewater...Let's hope RM-C can regain their focus and play strong.

[Bammer]

Saw where RC had a closer than expected game with Hollins.  Jordan Gholson is not in the box score for the last few games.  Is she sick or injured?  If she does not play in the tournament, Roanoke is a much weaker team.  Good win for BC over RMC.  If BC and RMC are tied Sunday night, how is the #1 seed determined?

[BH2OFan]

...most interesting thing about that is Jordan Burkholder had no fouls in first half I could find.  BUT she did seem to foul out with 5 before the game as over.

If she can keep herself in the game it really helps Bridgewater and that may be why RM-C made such a strong run in the 2nd half...same thing happened when W &L played at Bridgewater...when she goes to the bench for foolish fouls...the team slides.

  If BC and RMC are tied Sunday night, how is the #1 seed determined?

Burkholder indeed had no fouls at halftime. Her 2nd was a technical for a reaction to a foul another player "committed" (OK, it WAS a foul since the whisle blew but in the context of how the rest of the game was called it was a poor call)- That's the foolish one that hurts. 4th came with about 7 minutes to go, she was back in at 4:45 and picked up the 5th with about 1:30 to go. No question they are a weaker team without her (what team isn't when a player of that caliber has to sit), but the bigger issue to me is the lack of a third scorer behind her and Mullen. Those 2 had 31 of the 36 points at halftime...

Been asking the seeding question myself, looks like we will find out when they actually do it this year but would like to know sooner.

[wmjofva]

Roanoke didn't start Moats...she played 19 mins was 7-13 from the field, so when your lineup isn't normal it hurts...W & L had same issue for most of the season.

Jordan almost got a T on last weeks game...she reacted strongly to a call, when she didn't stand her ground and get charge, but reached.  As the offical walked toward the table, he started to react, didn't and the other male offical, stood by Jordan at the foul line with his hand over his mouth..talking to her....she went down the floor, missed a long 3 pter and went straight in following her shot and fouled the person who was holding the rebound... so she hasn't changed.

Reminds me many years ago, we were playing against twins...one twin was better...if first half #14 twin would have 3 fouls and 10 pts....but in the 2nd half, the other twin would have the same game....3 /4 fouls and 10-12 pts.... (It was couple years later, I learned they would switch jerseys at 1/2 time.  So you are what you are.

[hoopstermom]

Thanks wmjofva and BH20fan for the details of the game.

As far as tiebreakers go...teams tied at end of regular season are declared co champions and the tourney seeding is outlined in the ODAC Manual http://static.psbin.com/0/5/851gahhtcawzal/general_procedures.pdf.

If head to head results don't work,  then goes to a points system based on wins over other teams.

Interestingly, if still tied after tabulating points, the last option seems to be a previously drawn lottery system, which for WBB this year would make RMC the declared winner.

[BH2OFan]

Anybody better at math than me care to speculate what this means
If I understand correctly, a BC-RMC tie for 1st will give the nod to RMC since they will have beaten the next-best team (Roanoke) twice? And if Roanoke beats RMC to tie for 1st they would be #1 by virtue of sweeping W&L?
I think I'm either dead- on or totally lost.
Of course all this assumes (we know what that spells) all 3 taking care of business the rest of the way.....

[Bammer]

I predict that the #2 seed for BC will be a better spot than the #1 seed this year looking at where the semifinal may play out.  BC seems to have RC figured out.  Next week it all plays out and I would not be surprised by an upset or two.  The ODAC would be very fortunate to receive 2 NCAA bids.   This makes the ODAC tournament imperative to win if you want to dance. 

[BH2OFan]

I predict that the #2 seed for BC will be a better spot than the #1 seed this year looking at where the semifinal may play out.  BC seems to have RC figured out.  Next week it all plays out and I would not be surprised by an upset or two.  The ODAC would be very fortunate to receive 2 NCAA bids.   This makes the ODAC tournament imperative to win if you want to dance. 

Agreed. The fan in me would like the cache of being the 1 seed but you are correct that a 2 would work better

[BH2OFan]

Anybody better at math than me care to speculate what this means
If I understand correctly, a BC-RMC tie for 1st will give the nod to RMC since they will have beaten the next-best team (Roanoke) twice? And if Roanoke beats RMC to tie for 1st they would be #1 by virtue of sweeping W&L?
I think I'm either dead- on or totally lost.
Of course all this assumes (we know what that spells) all 3 taking care of business the rest of the way.....

After scrolling down and reading the examples a couple of pages later, totally lost seems to be the answer . If I get bored later I'll do the math on how they stand today but with a week left it's purely speculation, too much can change.

[wmjofva]

This discussion about who has done what in the last 10 years, lead me to check on which teams played in the ODAC championship game...not just who won...two teams jumb out....RM-C and Bridgewater

Can't find at the ODAC site..who won the regular season championships, however.  Programs can be built to win the season...an/or win the tournament championship game.

For me, I would prepare the team in the last part of the season (last 10 games) to win the 3-day event in Salem, so I could play in the NCAA's.  For example if I needed a 3rd scorer and knew that I would have to play my normal starters for defensive reasons, I would work on making one of them that scorer, instead of using a good offensive player off the bench, who I couldn't bring into a close game because they won't play defense.  Normally in the regular season, you can go 8,9,10 deep but in these games you find you can't do that.

So you say, Bridgewater needs a 3rd scorer...in a game you're going to win, regardless...then run plays so this selected person gets shots...practice this...say.."we want you to take 10 shots...not your normal 5...   Ofcourse Bridgewater fans don't have to worry...Coach W really does a great job, getting her teams ready for the ODAC's in Salem...since 2000 she has been in championship game 5 times...winning one time...however I doubt they were preseason picks any of those times.

RM-C has been there 6 times...winning 5 times.  Coach Lehaye would be the last person I would want to face in the final game.

[BH2OFan]

Ofcourse Bridgewater fans don't have to worry...Coach W really does a great job, getting her teams ready for the ODAC's in Salem...since 2000 she has been in championship game 5 times...winning one time...however I doubt they were preseason picks any of those times.

Hence my signature

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

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[2RMCFans]

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