WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[Brookland]

For any eagle-eyed observers who noted the differences in ODAC rankings quoted for Shannon Allan by me and Hoopstermom, please note that I was quoting totals while she was quoting per game stats, so we are both correct as of today's numbers. I also note that Ms. Seipp is eighth in scoring and second in steals in the ODAC. Top twenty in some other stats.
OK, we're up to 3 impressive contenders! Any other suggestions? We need some more traffic on this board!

[hoopstermom]

You are right Ronk, Sarah Seipp from VWC is definitely another good choice. 

Leading frosh performers from each team based on quick review of individual team stats that may also be deserving of a closer look include:

Taylor Duggins - Roanoke
Logan Harder - Guilford
Shannon Thorne - Bridgewater
Christie Langley - E&H
Brianna Lowry - Randolph
Lauren Morris - Hollins

W&L doesn't have any freshman with significant playing time, so hard to realisticly suggest one for FOY
EMU has a number of freshman that all have contributed to their great success this year: Raiven Patterson, Alisa Brown and Shakeerah Sykes.

Will certainly come down to which of these kids contributes most to the final standing of their respective team.

On a slightly different note, but related to top performers, I'm picking Gabby Oglesby of Guilford for POY.  She is the spark that has been the key to Guilford's success.  3rd in scoring and 5th in rebounding in the conference. Other contenders include Bianca Ygarza, EMU and Taylor Wieczorek-RMC.   

I pick Kevin Griffin of EMU as COY with Stephanie Flamini of Guilford or even Jim Phillips of Hollins as close 2nds in this category.  Griffin because he's done so much with all his youngsters to get them to play so well.  In pre-season rankings, EMU was only picked to finish 5th.  Phillips has already notched as many wins as last year's record high number and will surely pick up more this year.  They are on track to make the playoffs which I don't remember how far back it's been since that happened. Flamini's team was supposed to be a top contender, but still, meeting expectations does not diminish Guilford's accomplishments.  I think any of these coaches are deserving.

How about some other opinions!

[BH2OFan]

How about some other opinions!

OK!

POY- I think the answer to "how will BC replace Burkholder" is Jessica Mullen. Leading the ODAC in scoring and steals, has passed the ball very well lately and crept into the top 10 in assists.


COY- If none of the current top 3 teams distinguish themselves significantly above the rest between now and the end of the year, and Hollins doesn't fall off the end of the earth, I would vote for Jim Phillips.

ROY- No opinion just yet, will have to pay closer attention!

[hasanova]

POY  Not counting last night's game, Guilford's Gabby Oglesby is 3rd in Scoring (16.1 ppg), 5th in Rebounding (7.6 rpg), 4th in FG% (.498), 12th in FT% (.705) and 1st in Blocks (36).  I can tell you she had 6 more blocks last night, so her new total's 42.  The Quakers are currently 15-3, 12-1 and in first place and she's a big reason why.

[wmjofva]

Sarah Parsons of RMC reminds me of Katty Herr of Bridgwater of years ago...

[BH2OFan]

Anybody have any information on the nature and extent of Moat's injury? She went down with a knee (found this out later), the broadcasters didn't report anything that I heard and the camera cut away while she was being attended to.

[hoopsfan55]

I think the POY discussion is intriguing.  I tried to do my own analysis of several of the potential candidates in what I consider the major statistical categories.  I'm keeping the names out of it to start although it may be obvious who these various people are.  Here is what I found:

PLAYER 1:
Scoring: 1st
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  NR/NR/NR
FG%: 15th
Assists: 10th
FT%: 1st
Steals: 1st
3FG%: 13th
Blocked shots: NR
Assist/TO ratio: NR
Minutes played: 9th

PLAYER 2:
Scoring: 2nd
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  6th/12th/4th
FG%: NR
Assists: 1st
FT%: NR
Steals: 2nd
3FG%: NR
Blocked shots: NR
Assist/TO ratio: 5th
Minutes played: 1st

PLAYER 3:
Scoring: 3rd
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  5th/9th/5th
FG%: 4th
Assists: NR
FT%: 12th
Steals: NR
3FG%: NR
Blocked shots: 1st
Assist/TO ratio: NR
Minutes played: NR

PLAYER 4:
Scoring: 5th
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  NR/NR/NR
FG%: NR
Assists: 5th
FT%: 3rd
Steals: 5th
3FG%: 8th
Blocked shots: 13th
Assist/TO ratio: 3rd
Minutes played: 2nd

Given those stats here are my thoughts: First, Player 1 has impressive stats in the scoring department and the steals.  In general her other stats are lower than the other 3 candidates.  Player 2 is ranked pretty high in almost every major category.  Player 3 has good scoring, rebounding, and block numbers.  She is impressive like Player 1, but not nearly as complete as Player 2.  Player 4 actually has a very complete game as well with the exception of the rebounding statistics.  Next the intangibles come in to play.  Player 1 is Mullen from Bridgewater - clearly she has stepped up this year to fill some large shoes which is important to consider; however, Bridgewater was picked 3rd in the preseason poll and while a top 3 finish is in reach, it is going to be hard to catch up to those top teams.  Thus, it could be argued that Bridgewater has slightly underachieved this season based on the preseason polls.  Player 2 is Greene from Hollins.  Of the four players I chose to assess, her numbers are probably the most complete.  When looking at Hollins performance this season, they are sitting in 6th place after having been picked to finish 9th in the preseason poll.  The team is 8-10 overall, which is an impressive improvement from a rebuilding team that had 1 total win from 2006-2009.  Player 3 is Oglesby from Guilford.  She clearly is a special player, but her rebounding is on par with that of Greene, who is a point guard.  The intangible factor for Oglesby is the fact that Guilford is having such a fantastic season.  They were picked 2nd in the preseason poll and are living up to and arguably exceeding the high expectations for this team.  Player 4 is Roy from Randolph Macon.  I thought I would throw her into the mix, because even though some of her numbers are not as high as the others, she is a complete player who contributes to her team significantly in a variety of ways; however, Randolph Macon was picked to finish 1st in the conference and is uncharacteristically underachieving a bit, currently 5th in the standings.   

Lots of things to consider in the POY conversation.  I know Oglesby and Mullen have been mentioned as top candidates but its hard to dismiss Greene as being a front runner in that discussion as well. 

[BH2OFan]

  We only lost 13 odac games in our four years of our kids playing, so watching the efforts of this years team is interestlng to us.  Molly A parents had come down from Pa...I don't think that group ever lost at Bridgewater in four years.  I know my child came off a fractured cheek the night before, delayed getting her broken nose set so she could play and beat Burkholder and company.

It's important to distinguish that that group might not have lost at BC, but they did lose to BC- twice in fact- During the Eagles tournamant championship run in 2008, and in Ashland January 2010.

I remember the game when your daughter had the protective mask- my then 11 year old son asked what it was for and his mother deadpanned, "she bit a player in their last game!". His reaction was so priceless I couldn't hold back a laugh so we let him off the hook pretty quick.
No letters please, we kid because we care

[BH2OFan]

I think the POY discussion is intriguing.  I tried to do my own analysis of several of the potential candidates in what I consider the major statistical categories.  I'm keeping the names out of it to start although it may be obvious who these various people are.  Here is what I found:

hoopsfan55, what was your cutoff number in your stat compilation where you listed NR? Just a curiosity question.

[hoopstermom]

  We only lost 13 odac games in our four years of our kids playing, so watching the efforts of this years team is interestlng to us.  Molly A parents had come down from Pa...I don't think that group ever lost at Bridgewater in four years.  I know my child came off a fractured cheek the night before, delayed getting her broken nose set so she could play and beat Burkholder and company.

It's important to distinguish that that group might not have lost at BC, but they did lose to BC- twice in fact- During the Eagles tournamant championship run in 2008, and in Ashland January 2010.

R-MC losses to Bridgewater over previous 8 seasons (2002-2011) are four:
2/8/04 in Ashland 58-65;
1/3/06 @ Bridgewater 81-83 (2OT);
3/1/08 in Salem/ODAC Finals 64-70;
2/12/11 @ Bridgewater 68-72

Then there's the current season - already one loss in the book 55-71 at Bridgewater just a few weeks ago (1/21) with upcoming contest on 2/11/12.  Unless the Jackets can pull together and make a run for the playoffs, could be a sweep for BC this year.  That hasn't happened since the 2000-2001 season.

[BH2OFan]

  We only lost 13 odac games in our four years of our kids playing, so watching the efforts of this years team is interestlng to us.  Molly A parents had come down from Pa...I don't think that group ever lost at Bridgewater in four years.  I know my child came off a fractured cheek the night before, delayed getting her broken nose set so she could play and beat Burkholder and company.

It's important to distinguish that that group might not have lost at BC, but they did lose to BC- twice in fact- During the Eagles tournamant championship run in 2008, and in Ashland January 2010.

R-MC losses to Bridgewater over previous 8 seasons (2002-2011) are four:
2/8/04 in Ashland 58-65;
1/3/06 @ Bridgewater 81-83 (2OT);
3/1/08 in Salem/ODAC Finals 64-70;
2/12/11 @ Bridgewater 68-72

Then there's the current season - already one loss in the book 55-71 at Bridgewater just a few weeks ago (1/21) with upcoming contest on 2/11/12.  Unless the Jackets can pull together and make a run for the playoffs, could be a sweep for BC this year.  That hasn't happened since the 2000-2001 season.

R-MC losses to Bridgewater over previous 8 seasons (2002-2011) are five- and I spotted you the one you missed 1/31/10 in Ashland 68-57.

I'm liking this trend- 3 out of the last 4

[wmjofva]

  We only lost 13 odac games in our four years of our kids playing, so watching the efforts of this years team is interestlng to us.  Molly A parents had come down from Pa...I don't think that group ever lost at Bridgewater in four years.  I know my child came off a fractured cheek the night before, delayed getting her broken nose set so she could play and beat Burkholder and company.

It's important to distinguish that that group might not have lost at BC, but they did lose to BC- twice in fact- During the Eagles tournamant championship run in 2008, and in Ashland January 2010.

I remember the game when your daughter had the protective mask- my then 11 year old son asked what it was for and his mother deadpanned, "she bit a player in their last game!". His reaction was so priceless I couldn't hold back a laugh so we let him off the hook pretty quick.
No letters please, we kid because we care

As my old ball coach used to say " why be a good loser, when with a little effort you can be a gracious winner!   

The protective mask story is a great one.  May have been another daughter, as mine refused to wear one either before or after the operation.  Couple years before, when she got it broke the first time, they just stuffed cotton up her nose and put her back in.

The Bridgewater wins against that group were good ones in the ODAC tournament and at Ashland...great games with the wrong team winning....  

Reishbeck/Tuna four years had 10 conference losses; Silvia group four years had 12 conference losses, but the college feels the best team was 2004-2005 (Silvia)20-0 conf & National Championship game.

2002-2010 had all the players lapping each other's four years..this year's ball club still has a chance to right the ship and do very well....just as they did last year!

[ronk]

  Having lost to that 2004-2005 team in the Final 4 semifinal, I can attest that that was a very strong squad with good inside players in addition to Sylva.The X factor in that game was a 2nd semester xfer(Merkel) from an upper level who contributed double figure scoring.

[hoopstermom]

  We only lost 13 odac games in our four years of our kids playing, so watching the efforts of this years team is interestlng to us.  Molly A parents had come down from Pa...I don't think that group ever lost at Bridgewater in four years.  I know my child came off a fractured cheek the night before, delayed getting her broken nose set so she could play and beat Burkholder and company.

It's important to distinguish that that group might not have lost at BC, but they did lose to BC- twice in fact- During the Eagles tournamant championship run in 2008, and in Ashland January 2010.

R-MC losses to Bridgewater over previous 8 seasons (2002-2011) are four:
2/8/04 in Ashland 58-65;
1/3/06 @ Bridgewater 81-83 (2OT);
3/1/08 in Salem/ODAC Finals 64-70;
2/12/11 @ Bridgewater 68-72

Then there's the current season - already one loss in the book 55-71 at Bridgewater just a few weeks ago (1/21) with upcoming contest on 2/11/12.  Unless the Jackets can pull together and make a run for the playoffs, could be a sweep for BC this year.  That hasn't happened since the 2000-2001 season.

R-MC losses to Bridgewater over previous 8 seasons (2002-2011) are five- and I spotted you the one you missed 1/31/10 in Ashland 68-57.

I'm liking this trend- 3 out of the last 4

BH20 - Can't figure how I missed that date even when you pointed it out earlier in this discussion.     BC does seem to have R-MC's number.  I didn't compare when trying to go through the records, but might be curious enough to go back so see what other teams' records were against R-MC over that same period.  Would think BC five would be at or near the top.

[hoopsfan55]

BH2O - I used the season statistics on the ODAC website.  They cut off various statistics at different points.  You can see them here:  http://www.odaconline.com/sports/wbkb/2011-12/statistics/confldrs.htm