WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[BH2OFan]

I think the POY discussion is intriguing.  I tried to do my own analysis of several of the potential candidates in what I consider the major statistical categories.  I'm keeping the names out of it to start although it may be obvious who these various people are.  Here is what I found:

PLAYER 1:
Scoring: 1st
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  NR/NR/NR
FG%: 15th
Assists: 10th
FT%: 1st
Steals: 1st
3FG%: 13th
Blocked shots: NR
Assist/TO ratio: NR
Minutes played: 9th

PLAYER 2:
Scoring: 2nd
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  6th/12th/4th
FG%: NR
Assists: 1st
FT%: NR
Steals: 2nd
3FG%: NR
Blocked shots: NR
Assist/TO ratio: 5th
Minutes played: 1st

PLAYER 3:
Scoring: 3rd
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  5th/9th/5th
FG%: 4th
Assists: NR
FT%: 12th
Steals: NR
3FG%: NR
Blocked shots: 1st
Assist/TO ratio: NR
Minutes played: NR

PLAYER 4:
Scoring: 5th
Rebounding (Overall/Offensive/Defensive):  NR/NR/NR
FG%: NR
Assists: 5th
FT%: 3rd
Steals: 5th
3FG%: 8th
Blocked shots: 13th
Assist/TO ratio: 3rd
Minutes played: 2nd

Who out there following this discussion would weigh minutes played against everything else they've accomplished- i.e. how efficient they are when they are on the floor? i give you the  BC vs. Hollins matchup from Thursday as a small example:


Greene- 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 0 blocks in 37 minutes
Mullen- 18 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks in 21 minutes

This one game snapshot shows a much wider gap than the reality that both players are worthy candidates, but I think I would consider efficiency if I had a vote (and no horse in the race )

[BH2OFan]

BH20 - Can't figure how I missed that date even when you pointed it out earlier in this discussion.     BC does seem to have R-MC's number.  I didn't compare when trying to go through the records, but might be curious enough to go back so see what other teams' records were against R-MC over that same period.  Would think BC five would be at or near the top.

I went back nine seasons (2002-2003 through 2010-2011)- There appear to be some broken links on RMC's archive page before that. Including tournament games, the winningest programs vs. RMC in that time span:

EMU- 7
BC- 5
VWC- 5
Roanoke- 4
E&H- 3
W&L- 3
Lynchburg- 2
Randolph- 1
Perhaps I should rephrase "winningest programs"- 30 losses over nine years of a 20 game conference schedule is an eye-popping 83.3 winning percentage

[2RMCFans]

A great win at home last night for the Jackets!  Nice job, team.

GO JACKETS!!!

[wmjofva]

  Having lost to that 2004-2005 team in the Final 4 semifinal, I can attest that that was a very strong squad with good inside players in addition to Sylva.The X factor in that game was a 2nd semester xfer(Merkel) from an upper level who contributed double figure scoring.

Wow!..I just checked Marta Merkel stats and she did score a lot when she transferred in.  By the time I saw her playing , they had converted her to a defensive 'glove'  She would cover the other teams' top offensive player (small forward-gurard) and just lock down!  She finished up 2007-2008.  It appears players who come from Div I to Div III play forever.  Bridgewater  had a player who played W.Va, JMU and then a long time at Bridgewater a few years ago.  Marta was one of my favorites!!

Regarding POY...is it the best basketball player pound for pound or key player on winning team.  Who makes the selection and who has won last 10 years...that might tell us how the vote will go.  I think Burkholder won it last year.

[hoopstermom]

Regarding POY...is it the best basketball player pound for pound or key player on winning team.  Who makes the selection and who has won last 10 years...that might tell us how the vote will go.  I think Burkholder won it last year.

I think coaches select POY.  Over past 10 years, 6 were members of the conference or tourney championship team but other 4 were not, so I guess just based on total individual player stats.

Year   POY                     School   Conf Winner   Tourney Winner 2011   Jordan Burkholder       BC     RMC/BC                RMC 2010   Molly Ariail               RMC     RC                     W&L 2009   Molly Ariail               RMC     RMC/RC                RMC 2008   Molly Ariail               RMC     VWC                     BC 2007   Erin Hanson               RC     RMC                     RMC 2006   Megan Silva              RMC     RMC                     RMC 2005   Megan Silva              RMC     RMC                     RMC 2004   Megan Silva              RMC     EMU/BC                EMU 2003   Katrina Williams            RC     GC                     RMC 2002   Jessica Mentz             W&L     GC                     CG

[BH2OFan]

I will add that it's a regular season award- all the superlatives are handed out the night before the tournament starts.
Obviously Airail and Silva were special players no matter what the team results were. Interesting to me that in 2007 Roanoke finished in 6th place when Hanson won. Anybody who has followed the ODAC longer than me remember the circumstances?

[2RMCFans]

Wow, the Jackets were really unsettled at home last night.  Credit to W & L, they brought some awesome game on both ends.

Hope we can regroup & finish the season strong!  GO JACKETS!!!

[Bammer]

Good win for the Generals.  Strange season in that they have swept RMC, Roanoke and Bridgewater and are only 8-8 in conference play.  It should be an interesting end for the regular season.  Look for an ODAC tournament where anything could happen.

[wmjofva]

I will add that it's a regular season award- all the superlatives are handed out the night before the tournament starts.
Obviously Airail and Silva were special players no matter what the team results were. Interesting to me that in 2007 Roanoke finished in 6th place when Hanson won. Anybody who has followed the ODAC longer than me remember the circumstances?

Hanson was a special player, who could score inside and mid range.  She lit up RMC in first game of two conference with 28 pts for win and 17 pts in lost.  Roanoke was 16-11 at that point and RMC was 23-4.  I think she was named All American Div III that year.  Interestly in soccer she suffered a head injury and when she came back for her senior year, she just wasn't the same player..I know she didn't play the first part of her senior season.

That brings up something I like to futher address, as I may have made light of my child's injury, RMC has a protocol on concussions, etc.  Each player is tested before the season and if they are hurt and concussion is suspected then they must take the test again and the results must show they are in range of the first test, if not they don't play.   My daughter was reviewed by doctor and well as team before they allowed her to play again.

[BH2OFan]

Good win for the Generals.  Strange season in that they have swept RMC, Roanoke and Bridgewater and are only 8-8 in conference play.  It should be an interesting end for the regular season.  Look for an ODAC tournament where anything could happen.

Lots of up-and-down stretches for quite a few teams- RMC's solid win over Guilford was bookended by less than great showings vs. BC and W&L. Hollins finishes their season sweep of W&L last Tuesday, loses to BC by 21 Thursday (to be fair the Tues. game was double OT and the Eagles just wore them out in the second half). I agree the tournament is wide open.

[hoopstermom]

I will add that it's a regular season award- all the superlatives are handed out the night before the tournament starts.
Obviously Airail and Silva were special players no matter what the team results were. Interesting to me that in 2007 Roanoke finished in 6th place when Hanson won. Anybody who has followed the ODAC longer than me remember the circumstances?

Hanson was a special player, who could score inside and mid range.  She lit up RMC in first game of two conference with 28 pts for win and 17 pts in lost.  Roanoke was 16-11 at that point and RMC was 23-4.  I think she was named All American Div III that year.  Interestly in soccer she suffered a head injury and when she came back for her senior year, she just wasn't the same player..I know she didn't play the first part of her senior season.

Agree with this assessment. I definitely remember her being a prolific scorer and definite team leader that made special things happen.  I'm betting she was a candidate for POY in other years she played as well, she just had the misfortune of playing several years concurrently with Silva.

[hoopstermom]

Congrats to Eastern Mennonite for being named #5 in South Region Poll.

What are others' thoughts about EMU making the NCAA tourney if they win all their remaining games except lose in the ODAC tourney finals?  That would put them with a 23-3 overall record and I would like to think they would get serious consideration even though not getting any votes in overall rankings at this time. 

I think if any other team wins the ODAC tourney, and EMU doesn't finish out the regular season 18-2 and win their quarterfinal and semi final games, the winner of the ODAC tourney will be our only rep in the NCAA tourney.

[Bammer]

EMU has a nice team but their out of conference schedule will hurt them.  They have not played a ranked team that I am aware of.  Overall, the best out of conference win for the ODAC would be the Generals beating #4 CNU at CNU.  To get at large bids, the strength of schedule must improve and a few NCAA wins would really help the ODAC.  Just win the ODAC tournament and you get a bid.

[wmjofva]

I wish the ODAC would list all players and advise when they are injured...I see Mullen for Bridgewater didn't play Feb 4 or 7th and Moats has been gone from a leg/knee injury for some time.  EMU's good 6 footer..Sara Lamneck's last game was Dec 3rd...she is like the "man who never was" as she an two others at EMU have been removed from roster, but they couldn't cross them out of season team picture.

Why not list all the players.. play or not and say 0 min...injured or / coach's decision. 

[wmjofva]

Good win for the Generals.  Strange season in that they have swept RMC, Roanoke and Bridgewater and are only 8-8 in conference play.

BUT so is RMC, Roanoke and Bridgewater...almost...

If I were WL...I would be licking my chops for the tournament....The 9th place team right now, could have a good weekend and sweep the ODAC championship.