WBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[odacbballfan]

Is the Alll-ODAC team for the players with the best stats, or the best players that mean the most to their respective teams? My "non-look strictly at my stats based" All-ODAC team:

Katy Herr While yes she does have the "stats" she is also the unquestioned leader of the BC team. Without her BC isn't even close to the top of the conference.

Jennifer King: Again another one with some pretty good "stats" but again another player who's team may be winless without her. She can single handily carry that team, and most of the time has too.

Sara Rechnitze & Meghan Stensrudr: Are you kidding me. I mean if you look at this team on paper they are 7 deep, and yet every game they come to play, That is what an All-ODAC player should truly be. I would nominate this whole team. They are out manned at every position and yet they find a way to compete.

Erin Hanson: How quickly we forget. Last years ROY got off to a slow start but since going 2-5 to open the year the maroons had run off 7 straight until two tough losses this weekend. Basically riding the back of Hanson and her play

Michelle Orton: She is without question the catalyst of the RMC team. She makes it impossible for teams to focus on stopping her counter part Silva because of the fact that she can dominate a game from the low post. Without her in the middle of the offense Silva averages at least 8 points a game less.

2nd Team All Odac: The VWC basketball team. No stars just hard workers.

Yes I am aware that there is someone not on this list. But this is my list. My stats don't really matter list. This list is about players who mean more to their team then just gaudy offensive numbers (which in the end is really what this team comes down to)  So be very careful about telling me what an idiot I am if you also say no one would ever try to pad their numbers.

[Jeremybozz]

So the BC Ladies are not yet a top 41 team. Fair enough. You can make that case. But why is Wilmington #25?

[GAVA]

So the BC Ladies are not yet a top 41 team. Fair enough. You can make that case. But why is Wilmington #25?

I don't know except maybe 4 of their losses were to Top10 teams. ODAC not getting much respect. RM wins don't move them up either.

[emufan]

I am a big EMU and ODAC basketball fan, but I think we are bring a little over zealous when we want two ODAC teams to be ranked.

1)I remember when EMU went to the sweet sixteen a couple of years ago.  The competition around the country is amazing and the ODAC isn't one of the best conferences. This was shown when EMU was blown out in the sweet 16.

2)  RMC made a great run last year  in the NCAA's but they breezed through the ODAC.  Showing no one was on their level.

3)  Another point, is that the D3 tournmant isn't set up like the D1 tourney so they seedings are based a lot of location and not the best teams 1-64. 

No offense to BC, but they aren't a top 40 team in America.  Sorry!

Maybe Pat can inform us on who the better conferences are and where the ODAC ranks. 

[GAVA]

Maybe Pat can inform us on who the better conferences are and where the ODAC ranks. 

That would be interesting.

[odacbballfan]

As long as 4 wins a year are coming against Hollins and RMWC there will never be two odac teams ranked.

[Jeremybozz]

Excellent point but 2 of BC's losses were also vs top 15 teams and another was to Oglethorpe who is getting top 25 votes.

[odacbballfan]

But look at the rest of he ODAC you have RMC at 13-2, BC 13-4, VWC 13-4 after that it gets a little shakey. EMU posts the next best record at 10-6, roanoke is the only other team with a winning record at 9-7. Then the next best record is 6-10.  Not a whole lot of room to argue if you ask me. Best bet win the tournament if you ask me. I think it wil be VERY interesting to see if RMC gets in if they fall in the tourny. (As i have predicted they will)

[78rmc]

But look at the rest of he ODAC you have RMC at 13-2, BC 13-4, VWC 13-4 after that it gets a little shakey. EMU posts the next best record at 10-6, roanoke is the only other team with a winning record at 9-7. Then the next best record is 6-10.  Not a whole lot of room to argue if you ask me. Best bet win the tournament if you ask me. I think it wil be VERY interesting to see if RMC gets in if they fall in the tourny. (As i have predicted they will)

Agreed that the ODAC is not a strong women's conference top to bottom.  As to RMC, how can you even think that they do not make it into the NCAAs?  Even as you say, they do not win the ODAC tourney, who will they lose to for the rest of the regular season?  Every team left has lost to the Jackets by 20, 30, 40 or over 50.  That's over 20 wins going into the ODAC tourney.  The Lady Jackets easily make it into the NCAAs regardless.  Your wishing the Jackets to fail will not keep them out.

By the way, who is your team?  Maybe it will shed light on your hate for RMC. 

[odacbballfan]

20 wins gets you in? Hmmmm well BC and VWC both have a realistic chance at 20.  BC has beaten everyone left on their schedule, so I guess they will get an NCAA invite even if they don't win the tourny either. I mean by your logic, right? Or is this another one of those "only applies to the yellow jackets" statements....?

[78rmc]

20 wins gets you in? Hmmmm well BC and VWC both have a realistic chance at 20.  BC has beaten everyone left on their schedule, so I guess they will get an NCAA invite even if they don't win the tourny either. I mean by your logic, right? Or is this another one of those "only applies to the yellow jackets" statements....?

Like it or not, a team that's in the top 20 all year and is the reigning National runner-up will get more 'love' than a team (with a similar record) that's not getting any poll votes.  But I do think BC could also get in with 20+ wins and a good tourney showing.  VWC, less likely since they have to play BC and RMC again, having already lost to both teams.

So, who's your team?

[odacbballfan]

 I Have oppertunities to see many of the ODAC schools play. I did not graduate from any of the ODAC schools, so i have no allegiance . I just have not been brainwashed byt the play of one particular player in the conference.....Let me pose this question, I am sure I will here nothing but flack about it but what the heck.... Let's just say for the sake of having a little fun because I want to see what peoples response to this is...... Where to start.... Tomorrow there is a trade. Silva is dealt to Guilford for Jennifer king. Do the quakers get any better than the 6-10 team they are? Probabley not, Silva would score 40 points a game but with out any help that team would still not be that much better. Meanwhile Jennifer Kings numbers would probabley fall some but the Yellow Jackets would still be the "best" team in the ODAC. Am I saying King is as Good as Silva? No not even close, but it helps to be surrounded by better players... If Katie Herr is the starting guard at RMC i think she becomes the ODAC Player of the year and BC with Silva is still the 2nd best team. People think I am bashing Silva and I am not at all. 2,000 points at any school is a great accomplishment, and she is a great player, but people in his conference (coaches, officials, fans) treat her like she walks on water, and to my knowledge she hasn't done that yet.  YES she is the best all around player in the ODAC but the pieces she has around her sure help.

[Jeremybozz]

BC won 22 games last year but they did not make the NCAA's did they. At 23-5 they might get an at large bid.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Bridgewater finishing 23-5 (winning the rest of their regular season games and losing in the finals of the ODAC tournament) is quite lofty.  Roanoke (1/31), VWC (2/11) and EMU (2/18) will be tough games for the Eagles.

Also keep in mind that since the ODAC regular season schedule expanded to 20 conference games in 1995, Bridgewater hasn't finished any better than 17-3 (five times; '97, '98, '01, '02 and '04).  So to finish 19-1 would be quite a feat seeing that the Eagles have had some great teams since the late-90s.

But I agree ... if Bridgewater finishes 23-5 (19-1), having beaten R-MC once, I think they'll have a good shot.  If they don't get in, it'll be those two losses to begin the season in Georgia that might be the reason.

Of course this is all talk that the Eagles will fall in the ODAC tournament ... I think they have as good a shot as anyone to win it.

[sunny]

I think most of you are forgetting that the tournament has a larger field this year than last.  A resume that may not have gotten you in last year, could get you in this year.

Redgarding Bridgewater:  The Eagles have one WIN to hang their hats on (an overtime home win over Randolph-Macon).  They have the two losses to teams who are very good, but have shown they can't hang with the elites in their own conferences (Emory and Oglethorpe), the loss to RMC (giving them a split in the season series which won't be broken until they meet again) and an 18-point loss to unbeaten Mary Washington.  The Virginia Wesleyan win is OK, but I wouldn't put the Marlins in my top 55-60 nationally - their three strongest wins are at home against Salisbury and at Christopher Newport and Eastern Mennonite.  Bridgewater is having a very nice season, but if you took the time to look at all the resumes of potential Top 25 teams, you'd see they don't quite measure up.

Randolph-Macon doesn't have a very impressive schedule either (since there are so few non-conference games), but they are ranked because they've only lost twice (a four-point loss in the second game of the season and an overtime loss on the road) and yes, partially, because of their success last year. 

The D3hoops.com poll has NO bearing on the NCAA Tournament selection or seeding.  The NCAA committee has proven that year in and year out.