MBB: Liberty League

hopefan · February 09, 2022, 05:40:23 PM

Quote from: stlawus on February 06, 2022, 06:24:26 PM
That Mahoney injury looked pretty bad. Non contact injury that made him go down in an instant. I hope it's not an achilles.

Sorry to report that I received an email today from Coach Gilbride that confirmed RPI senior tore his Achilles....

stlawus · February 09, 2022, 06:09:18 PM

Quote from: hopefan on February 09, 2022, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: stlawus on February 06, 2022, 06:24:26 PM
That Mahoney injury looked pretty bad. Non contact injury that made him go down in an instant. I hope it's not an achilles.

Sorry to report that I received an email today from Coach Gilbride that confirmed RPI senior tore his Achilles....

Absolutely devastating to hear. Best player in the Liberty League, just an awful way to end his career.

thebear · February 09, 2022, 06:15:38 PM

Tough for him and his team, see that he is listed as a fifth year student on their website.

Caz Bombers · February 09, 2022, 09:33:43 PM

RIT-Union back on the schedule, Monday in Schenectady. RIT-Vassar is cancelled and one has to presume Skidmore-RIT is never gonna get rescheduled either. Lame.

Ice Bear · February 10, 2022, 12:11:38 PM

Quote from: hopefan on February 09, 2022, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: stlawus on February 06, 2022, 06:24:26 PM
That Mahoney injury looked pretty bad. Non contact injury that made him go down in an instant. I hope it's not an achilles.

Sorry to report that I received an email today from Coach Gilbride that confirmed RPI senior tore his Achilles....

Ice Bear says this is awful. Ice says he feels badly for Mahoney. The Bear says he is a great player!

stlawus · February 12, 2022, 05:54:46 PM

Despite the Mahoney injury RPI keeps chugging along and are in good position to host the tournament with 2 relatively easy games left on their schedule.

If Vassar wins out and RPI drops a game Vassar will host, as they defeat a shorthanded Skidmore squad today.

Hobart has put together a nice past few weeks and are definitely in contention to make the LL tournament. Should beat Bard again but they have a few tough games remaining.

Very unfortunate for Skidmore to lose several top scorers this weekend due to covid protocols, a couple wins would have likely locked them into top 4.

Best offensive performance by SLU thus far as they edge out Ithaca by a point in a very chippy game. They were down 18 in the first half, great coaching job by Downs. Probably the last time the Ithaca broadcast team will speculate a game already being over with 8 minutes left in the first half.

Some pretty harsh words for the refs from the IC head coach at the end of the game that were very audible. Not going to do yourself any favors with the refs going forward when it's your first year coaching in the league.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 15, 2022, 03:47:50 PM

Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first

stlawus · February 15, 2022, 03:55:16 PM

I'm not really getting Ithaca still being regionally ranked. What's the reason they are in ahead of Vassar? Vassar has a few bad losses but so does Ithaca. Vassar has an equally strong win @RPI compared to IC's win @Susquehanna. Vassar also won the only head-to-head matchup thus far.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 15, 2022, 03:58:53 PM

Ithaca's numbers are FAR better than Vassar's...

Ithaca SOS: .543 ... non-conf SOS .606 ... vRRO 0-3
Vassar SOS: .4836 ... non-conf SOS .413 ... vRR0 none

There is nothing in those numbers alone (though, non-conf SOS is secondary) that indicates Vassar should be ahead of Ithaca other than a slight advantage of WL%.

stlawus · February 15, 2022, 04:47:28 PM

Ithaca's best win in region is @Skidmore. Vassar's is @RPI. I'm far from an expert in these matters but it seems like quality wins should matter a bit more.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 15, 2022, 07:08:34 PM

Quote from: stlawus on February 15, 2022, 04:47:28 PM
Ithaca's best win in region is @Skidmore. Vassar's is @RPI. I'm far from an expert in these matters but it seems like quality wins should matter a bit more.

Those kinds of things are not discussed, unless those quality wins happen to be over regionally ranked teams.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 15, 2022, 08:05:19 PM

Quote from: stlawus on February 15, 2022, 04:47:28 PM
Ithaca's best win in region is @Skidmore. Vassar's is @RPI. I'm far from an expert in these matters but it seems like quality wins should matter a bit more.

We don't know what is or isn't considered ... and earlier you were talking about looking more at losses ... which committee members will tell you there is no metric to measure at all.

But when the difference in SOS numbers are THAT significant ... and the WL% isn't that large a difference, the team with the strong SOS is going to be noticed. And Ithaca has NO results versus regionally ranked opponents. NONE. Even though Ithaca has three and they are all losses... it speaks to their schedule. Vassar's schedule is basically non-existent. One game here or there in Vassar's favor isn't going to overcome these issues (Skidmore isn't ranked).

Furthermore, Ithaca is ranked 7th ... it isn't saying much. They aren't getting an at-large position from that spot.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 15, 2022, 08:45:14 PM

DISREGARD EVERYTHING I'VE SAID ABOUT THE RESULTS VERSUS REGIONALLY RANKED OPPONENTS!!!

I just got done talking to the committee chair and the data we think is vRRO is NOT.

I explained it more here: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4232.msg2036389#msg2036389

How that impacts the argument for Vassar and Ithaca ... I don't know. The SOS and non-conf SOS is still valid. That still strongly favors Ithaca. The fact Ithaca wouldn't be in the tournament as an at-large is still valid. Whether Vassar should have a stronger argument ... remains to be seen.

stlawus · February 15, 2022, 09:38:49 PM

Ithaca has a win against Susquehanna who are regionally ranked in Region 5. I would think that would count as a win against a RRO. However, that seems to be their only win against a RRO. Vassar has wins against RPI and Ithaca, which would obviously be 2 wins against RRO. Both teams have some bad losses, but I can buy the argument about SOS. Does any more weight go into wins against an RRO in your own region, or is a win against an RRO standard across the board?

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 16, 2022, 11:14:16 PM

Quote from: stlawus on February 15, 2022, 09:38:49 PM
Ithaca has a win against Susquehanna who are regionally ranked in Region 5. I would think that would count as a win against a RRO. However, that seems to be their only win against a RRO. Vassar has wins against RPI and Ithaca, which would obviously be 2 wins against RRO. Both teams have some bad losses, but I can buy the argument about SOS. Does any more weight go into wins against an RRO in your own region, or is a win against an RRO standard across the board?

Wins in region help, but really all regional wins are calculated and evaluated ... it depends on where they are ranked as well. Wins against higher ranked teams will be viewed better than wins against lower ranks, especially lower ranks this season.