MBB: Liberty League

[Hoaf]

You think. From my frequent visits to campus. I thought it there was more of the lesbian crowd than straight available women.

Although, a friend of mine has been with a Vassar basketball boy at one point.

[shooters]

I agree, and I think at Hamilton after I would say a five year period there will be changes if something bad should happen. Again Hamilton will win the league fihish very high and their coach hasn't even had a full amount of time to get his own recruits. He is in his third year and led them to a what 20-5 record in his second year.  Don't quote me on their record last year but it was good including a 30 pt. blowout in conference final. I can be very opinionated but let a coach get his own players in, and i'm not talking about just Hamilton I'm talking in general. Like Clarkson, Hobart, etc. etc. those guys need a good 5-6 years before you can blame the program or the direction of the program on them. And if you want to talk about bad attitudes or playing sub-standard ball go watch Hamilton. It isn't the coaching or the talent its something in between. Personally I think its a tug of war between the players who were there before and the players who Anderson recruited. Once that weeds out i think you will see a better program. Its a theory, not a fact. I just can't see why Hamilton can't win.

[Hoaf]

Good point shooters. I like what you said about getting your own recruits in. I think that's very important to gauge coaching ability. But I don't know if I agree with you about why Hamilton has been playing so poorly.

I think it's mostly just mental. The reason they aren't winning games is that they are playing freshman guards. Tim Welchons gave Hamilton one of their best records in the program history. He was a senior and his leadership and in-game knowledge allowed gave what it needed to win close games. The games that have gotten away from the team this year. I think Jay Simpson and Dave Alston will be great guards in the future but I don't think they are at the same caliber as Welchons was at the point.

[shooters]

I agree with the fact Hamilton is starting two freshmen and that is part of the problem, experience. I would also say really this team is quite young and that plays a part as well. You have TK, Jones, and Rogers being the only seniors and out of those three there really isn't a team leader. Welchons was that stable force last year. Most of the players are either freshmen or soph. and they will be dangerous as time goes on. I think this team will get better as the year goes on, I know it does seem like it, but that is what i am thinking. I agree that it really is all mental!

[UCAAHoops21]

any one know if TK is coming back tonight?  Will he be playing this weekend?  If he is out, this makes this weekend a big one for everyone in the LL

[shooters]

TK is back! I don't know how much he'll play but he will be with the team. I never did hear what his injury was, i think someone on here said a back problem or something.

[bucketsallday]

two things: 1 it is ABSOLUTELY not the women that attract players to vassar unless you have a thing for girls with hairy legs. 50% of the guys there are more feminine than most girls.

2. back to basketball, vassar gets lenny holt back tonight from some type of foot or ankle injury (he was in a boot for a while). he started the first few games for vassar before he got hurt. regardless, the little kid with the fro has been playing very well in his place (knockin down threes and taking care of the ball), but they will need holts size to match up with the big guards form hamilton.

tonights predictions? I got clarkson, st lawrence, and vassar defendin home courts, while hamilton goes in and takes their frustrations out on rpi.

[rjcarter8]

I agree with 3 of your 4 buckets. I think, though, that Union will be able to get by Clarkson, which has been off its game. Though that outcome could be impacted by the notorious North Country refs.

[met_fan]

I also heard it was a back problem for TK and that he supposed to be back tonight - don't know how fully recovered it is though

[thebear]

Be Nice

The notorious North Country refs, as you speak, are usually from Syracuse or Utica. 

There are less than a handful of college qualified MBB referees who actually live in Northern NY.

Whoever we get, it's typically no joy for the home team either.

Tough job.

[rjcarter8]

To be fair, I haven't actually been to a North Country game in about 4 years, but I know back then there were some absolutely brutal calls toward the end of the game that did not negatively impact the home team. So, that was my basis.

Things certainly could have changed by now.

[Caz Bombers]

Vassar beats Hobart 66-49.  Tyson Brazell with 16 points on 7 of 8 shooting for VC and Lawrence Avitabile adds 14 points and 16 boards.  Mike Manning with 11 for Hobart.

Hamilton over RPI 68-54 despite Neal Wesson's 28 and 7.  Jay Simpson leads Hamilton with 14.

St. Lawrence over Skidmore 71-55.  Very balanced Saints have nobody in double figures and win anyway.

Union nips Clarkson 75-71.  No box yet.

[bucketsallday]

dont forget 6 blocks for avitable, and thats only the ones he got credit for.  vassar's defense has been really impressive of late, holdin rpi to 51, hobart to 49, clarkson to 62 in ot. 

three great matchups in tomorrows game against hamilton - avitabile vs tk (if healthy), maybe the two best players in the conference. brazell vs. nick jones. and kieffer vs. giorgi - maybe the two fattest/slowest players in d3 basketball.

[shooters]

it looks like Nick Jones did not play for Hamilton. I don't know any reason why he wouldn't play but coming off a 23pt. game I find it odd. Can anyone elaborate on what is going on here? We get TK back and lose Jones, no offense but i'd rather have jones right now the way he is playing than TK who had a solid night w/ six points in 35 minutes of action.  Tk should be scoring six points off rebounds alone. Someone please update me on Nick Jones!

[woot returns]

nick jones of hamilton is out for the year with a torn mcl