MBB: Liberty League

Libertatem Foederis · February 17, 2018, 05:56:27 PM

I think this will be the layout for the LL Tournament

#4 Ithaca #1 Hobart
#5 Vassar #4 or #5 Winner

#3 RIT #2 Union
#6 Skidmore #3 or #6 Winner

Vassar jumps RPI with their lose to Clarkson in OT & jumps Skidmore for the #5 spot b/c they have equal records jump swept them this year.

Should be a good one.

LF

Bartman · February 17, 2018, 06:12:16 PM

Hobart 15 game winning streak ended by Union. Hobart had a poor shooting night and double the turnovers from last night. Union deserves a hard fought win as their leading scorer did not play. Hobart really needs the tournament next weekend ....home court advantage , no excuses. Should be some good games.

Libertatem Foederis · February 17, 2018, 07:05:57 PM

CORRECTION

#5 Skidmore 9-9

#6 Vassar 8-10

I think Vassar gets in over Clarkson, but let see what the commish does...

LF

Libertatem Foederis · February 17, 2018, 07:07:50 PM

Clarkson did beat Union.... They just might get them in over Vassar.

LF

Bartman · February 17, 2018, 07:31:36 PM

I think since Vassar and Clarkson split their 2 games, the tie breaker reverts to the overall record(including out of conference...at least that is the rule for LL Football to determine the NCAA bid if there is a multi team tie ) , I could be wrong but I think it would go to Clarkson in that case as they have the better overall record.
Correction: I was incorrect.....tie breaker went to Vassar and they have the 6 th seed for the tourney, congratulations to all qualifiers

ITH radio · February 18, 2018, 11:47:38 AM

I had a bad feeling the Statesmen would drop the regular season finale. Gotta win it to get in it now boys.

Good luck!

ucaafan · February 18, 2018, 08:34:12 PM

Took awhile to figure out who was going to get the final spot in the LL playoffs and congrats to Vassar. Very interesting season and never expected the double figures in losses for Skidmore. St. Lawrence a bit easier to understand once Naclerio went down. Clarkson finished strong and just missed getting the final spot. Hobart lived up to its preseason billing finishing first as was predicted back in November in the LL coaches survey. Biggest surprise had to be Union which was predicted 8th of 10 and then locking up a second place slot. Coach Sweeney is doing a very good at Hobart but the Union coach really got the maximum out of his players. Good luck to all in the playoffs.

Bartman · February 19, 2018, 11:50:42 AM

Out of curiosity, what was the criteria for Vassar getting in over Clarkson....I get that RPI had the worst 3 way tie record of the three, but I am wondering what the formula was for Vassar ? Good luck to all the teams in the playoffs....anything is possible .

Caz Bombers · February 19, 2018, 01:07:55 PM

Quote from: Bartman on February 19, 2018, 11:50:42 AM
Out of curiosity, what was the criteria for Vassar getting in over Clarkson....I get that RPI had the worst 3 way tie record of the three, but I am wondering what the formula was for Vassar ? Good luck to all the teams in the playoffs....anything is possible .

Vassar went 3-1 vs RPI and Clarkson
Clarkson went 2-2 vs. RPI and Vassar
RPI went 1-3 vs. Clarkson and Vassar

therefore, Vassar gets the spot.

Bartman · February 19, 2018, 05:17:51 PM

Quote from: Caz Bombers on February 19, 2018, 01:07:55 PM
Quote from: Bartman on February 19, 2018, 11:50:42 AM
Out of curiosity, what was the criteria for Vassar getting in over Clarkson....I get that RPI had the worst 3 way tie record of the three, but I am wondering what the formula was for Vassar ? Good luck to all the teams in the playoffs....anything is possible .

Vassar went 3-1 vs RPI and Clarkson
Clarkson went 2-2 vs. RPI and Vassar
RPI went 1-3 vs. Clarkson and Vassar

therefore, Vassar gets the spot.

Got it, thanks.

Bartman · February 19, 2018, 08:08:40 PM

Wow, a close loss to the #2 in the LL ,Union, and Hobart drops out of the top 25 rankings as well as a bunch of other 20-25 ranked teams who suffered losses. Plattsburgh St. will take over the #1 ranking in the region as they take Hobart's place in the Top 25. I thought Hobart didn't have to win the LL Tourney to get in, but now I am worried. Gotta play well this weekend.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 20, 2018, 02:00:55 PM

Quote from: Bartman on February 19, 2018, 08:08:40 PM
Wow, a close loss to the #2 in the LL ,Union, and Hobart drops out of the top 25 rankings as well as a bunch of other 20-25 ranked teams who suffered losses. Plattsburgh St. will take over the #1 ranking in the region as they take Hobart's place in the Top 25. I thought Hobart didn't have to win the LL Tourney to get in, but now I am worried. Gotta play well this weekend.

Bartman - that statement is incorrect. The Top 25 has nothing to do with the rankings. Hobart could very well stay ahead of Plattsburgh (not looking at data to make a claim). The regional rankings and Top 25 don't always agree. You can look around every week and find examples.

magicman · February 20, 2018, 05:50:32 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2018, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: Bartman on February 19, 2018, 08:08:40 PM
Wow, a close loss to the #2 in the LL ,Union, and Hobart drops out of the top 25 rankings as well as a bunch of other 20-25 ranked teams who suffered losses. Plattsburgh St. will take over the #1 ranking in the region as they take Hobart's place in the Top 25. I thought Hobart didn't have to win the LL Tourney to get in, but now I am worried. Gotta play well this weekend.

Bartman - that statement is incorrect. The Top 25 has nothing to do with the rankings. Hobart could very well stay ahead of Plattsburgh (not looking at data to make a claim). The regional rankings and Top 25 don't always agree. You can look around every week and find examples.

Hobart will probably stay ahead of Plattsburgh in the regional rankings next week even with the loss to Union. Hobart has the same number of losses as Plattsburgh and 1 more win. They also have a slightly better Strength of Schedule. I'll be surprised if Plattsburgh moves into the top spot.

Caz Bombers · February 20, 2018, 10:05:55 PM

RIT edges Vassar at home by 5, Skidmore knocks off Ithaca at the Bulb by 6, Rupkus went fully buck wild with 39 points.

Bartman · February 20, 2018, 10:32:55 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2018, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: Bartman on February 19, 2018, 08:08:40 PM
Wow, a close loss to the #2 in the LL ,Union, and Hobart drops out of the top 25 rankings as well as a bunch of other 20-25 ranked teams who suffered losses. It is my opinion that Plattsburgh St. will take over the #1 ranking in the region as they take Hobart's place in the Top 25. I thought Hobart didn't have to win the LL Tourney to get in, but now I am worried. Gotta play well this weekend.

Bartman - that statement is incorrect. The Top 25 has nothing to do with the rankings. Hobart could very well stay ahead of Plattsburgh (not looking at data to make a claim). The regional rankings and Top 25 don't always agree. You can look around every week and find examples.

Thanks for your attention , you actually interpreted my comments incorrectly, I am not uninformed on these matters, I know the regional rankings are independent from the top 25 vote....it was just my prediction/opinion, but I also considered the teams results against ranked opponents(Plattsburgh is 3-3 and Hobart is 1-2) ....if Hobart keeps their #1 RR, I will be happy, but happier if they win the next 2 games against some good LL teams

Congratulations to RIT and Skidmore for their wins tonight. Rupkus was unconscious tonight with 39 and a killer 3 at the end. Looking forward to the games in Geneva this weekend