MBB: Liberty League

[saratoga]

The New York state pension system is probably the best & most solvent in the country.

AAAA rated.

10 years to vest.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Hoopsville/McHugh reporting that Hobart is looking for another coach. Sweeney headed to Conn College ...

Anyone think Izzi Metz would consider a return? I think the assistant should get the first interview.

would Leone, [also U of R grad] follow a similar path to Stockwell, and having established bonafides at a SUNY School, move to the private sector, where there are more recruiting assets?

Leone could certainly be interested. I haven't talked to him ... but if he wants to challenge himself, I think that's an option. I think it's an option for a lot of schools. That said, I think Hobart has shown that the region has a larger problem with recruiting. Staying in the region and going from a state to a private school could really be a significant challenge ... it might keep some coaches from being interested.

Per the Metz idea, I don't see why he wouldn't be interested, either. I know he has been in the running for a few jobs the last few years. I can't remember if he has turned any of them down .. but he's been in the mix.

Are you suggesting that it is harder to recruit to a Private institution in NY, than a state school?  Are you basing that on tuition cost??

Nope ... I am saying that recruiting in New York in general has gotten more difficult. There have been a variety of reasons, but I have had many conversations with NY coaches who talk about the challenges and how much has changed in the last decade or so. It has result in less national contenders than in the past (to say it simply; maybe too simply).

The success of schools, like Hobart, has waned. I don't think that is because of the coaches or their recruiting. I think things in NY (and slightly beyond) have changed. Teams don't seem to be getting the same talent, or depth of talent, they used to get in the past. The talent also may not be as deep in the state, either. More and more New York schools are now recruiting in a much larger footprint as a result as well.

That all said, Leone seems to have found some solid consistency at Oswego. They always seem to be at least in the SUNYAC conversation and pop up on the Top 25 nearly every year. While I am sure a job like Hobart is hard to resist, I think the recruiting to that school would be radically different. Not because of tuition costs, but because the type of players, compared to Oswego, are very different. That is just my opinion. I could be dead wrong ... but that's based on many conversations with many current and former coaches in that region.

Of course, it isn't like Leone is unfamiliar with all of this. I am not trying to speak for him - again, I haven't talked to him. He and the rest know this region pretty well.

I am also not considering the tuition game and such - because it is a game and I know full well how that's working for both sides.

[nyhoopstalk]

I have watched my fair share of NY/NJ hoops for awhile now and I must say the quality of New York high school hoops in general has declined. The talent isn't as spread out as much and you see many of the borderline D1 guys you used to see falling to the D3 ranks ending up at prep school. Another issue is you see alot of top D3 prospects in NY end up at NESCAC schools and not going to the SUNY/CUNY schools. A NY kid going to a LL school in NY may not be as enticing anymore when you factor in the price of some of these schools and the packages that some of these NESCAC and SUNY schools can offer.

[thebear]

In my Humble Opinion, SUNY Schools are getting kids that don't qualify academically/can't afford [after financial aid] NESCAC/LL/Empire 8 Schools.  e.g. Hamilton [only NY NESCAC School] total cost of attendance $56,935 for 2019-2020.  St. Lawrence [LL] $70.630, Ithaca College [E8] $62,757, SUNY Potsdam $24,113. 

[thebear]

The New York state pension system is probably the best & most solvent in the country.

AAAA rated.

10 years to vest.

Having just retired, 10 years to vest for health insurance, but pension only maxes at age 62.

[Oline89]

In my Humble Opinion, SUNY Schools are getting kids that don't qualify academically/can't afford [after financial aid] NESCAC/LL/Empire 8 Schools.  e.g. Hamilton [only NY NESCAC School] total cost of attendance $56,935 for 2019-2020.  St. Lawrence [LL] $70.630, Ithaca College [E8] $62,757, SUNY Potsdam $24,113.

Hamilton College:Tuition: $55,970
Room: $7,850
Board (Meals): $6,510
Student Activity Fee: $560
Total Comprehensive Fee: $70,890

I didn't want to let them off too easy....

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

In my Humble Opinion, SUNY Schools are getting kids that don't qualify academically/can't afford [after financial aid] NESCAC/LL/Empire 8 Schools.  e.g. Hamilton [only NY NESCAC School] total cost of attendance $56,935 for 2019-2020.  St. Lawrence [LL] $70.630, Ithaca College [E8] $62,757, SUNY Potsdam $24,113.

Hamilton College:Tuition: $55,970
Room: $7,850
Board (Meals): $6,510
Student Activity Fee: $560
Total Comprehensive Fee: $70,890

I didn't want to let them off too easy....

That's actually an incredibly reasonable room and board package.  I'm surprised it's so standard.  I guess all the fluff gets built into tuition, huh?

[stlawus]

Not sure if anyone saw this yet but Paul Grinde from Vassar is grad transferring to Clemson as a preferred walk on.   Great news for him.

[d3d3d3]

Skidmore star Noah Meren leaving for Brown.

[nyhoopstalk]

The Liberty League is going to look very different next year with the departures from Skidmore and Hobart. The LL could be wide open.

[Pat Coleman]

The Liberty League is going to look very different next year with the departures from Skidmore and Hobart. The LL could be wide open.

For one hot second I thought you were saying Skidmore and Hobart are leaving the league, and I was wondering how that could be possible on such a short time frame. Then I realized you were talking about individual players graduating.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The Liberty League is going to look very different next year with the departures from Skidmore and Hobart. The LL could be wide open.

For one hot second I thought you were saying Skidmore and Hobart are leaving the league, and I was wondering how that could be possible on such a short time frame. Then I realized you were talking about individual players graduating.

Considering the news you and I have been working the last few years ... I absolutely went in the same direction you did. LOL

[nyhoopstalk]

The Liberty League is going to look very different next year with the departures from Skidmore and Hobart. The LL could be wide open.

For one hot second I thought you were saying Skidmore and Hobart are leaving the league, and I was wondering how that could be possible on such a short time frame. Then I realized you were talking about individual players graduating.

Sorry! Yes, I was referring to players graduating and also Hobart losing their head coach.

[magicman]

The Liberty League is going to look very different next year with the departures from Skidmore and Hobart. The LL could be wide open.

For one hot second I thought you were saying Skidmore and Hobart are leaving the league, and I was wondering how that could be possible on such a short time frame. Then I realized you were talking about individual players graduating.

Considering the news you and I have been working the last few years ... I absolutely went in the same direction you did. LOL

You and the Guru getting jumpy!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The Liberty League is going to look very different next year with the departures from Skidmore and Hobart. The LL could be wide open.

For one hot second I thought you were saying Skidmore and Hobart are leaving the league, and I was wondering how that could be possible on such a short time frame. Then I realized you were talking about individual players graduating.

Considering the news you and I have been working the last few years ... I absolutely went in the same direction you did. LOL

You and the Guru getting jumpy!

Honestly, yes. I've gotten calls or texts randomly from some people where I have taken a deep breathe before answering ... because alarm bells start going off. Luckily, most of those calls of late have not been of that kind of nature ... but it has been those kinds of calls or texts the last few years that have led us down some crazy roads.