MBB: Liberty League

Started by Pat Cummings, March 01, 2005, 07:38:14 PM

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Caz Bombers

If Ithaca beats Hobart today, I might start to believe they're legitimate. Having 20 years of experience with the Jim Mullins experience, however, I won't hold my breath.

Legitimate relative to the East Region, of course, which is practically JV compared to the rest of D3. Oops, sorry, I said the quiet part out loud again.

d3d3d3

Hobart put the squeeze on Ithaca on the road, 74-65. Ithaca was averaging almost 90 ppg. Impressive from the Statesmen.

Caz Bombers

Quote from: d3d3d3 on January 11, 2020, 05:48:32 PM
Hobart put the squeeze on Ithaca on the road, 74-65. Ithaca was averaging almost 90 ppg. Impressive from the Statesmen.

As I was saying...

Oline89

With 2 nice league wins this weekend, does Hobart crack the top 25?

Oline89

Well I will keep pounding  for some LL love in the top 25.  Hobart WP .914, SOS .543/ Amherst WP .714, SOS .555......How does one get ranked 22 and the other "also ran", unless historical success remains a strong influence?

Pat Coleman

Voters aren't really looking at numbers in terms of SOS, but the teams actually on the schedule. Each week, every voter gets a list of every team that a Top 25 candidate has played, with that team's record. The D3 SOS is great for at-large discussions but not for the Top 25.
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Quote from: Oline89 on January 13, 2020, 05:33:59 PM
Well I will keep pounding  for some LL love in the top 25.  Hobart WP .914, SOS .543/ Amherst WP .714, SOS .555......How does one get ranked 22 and the other "also ran", unless historical success remains a strong influence?

I voted for Hobart for a second week this week, ahead of Amherst this time.
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Oline89

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2020, 05:41:38 PM
Voters aren't really looking at numbers in terms of SOS, but the teams actually on the schedule. Each week, every voter gets a list of every team that a Top 25 candidate has played, with that team's record. The D3 SOS is great for at-large discussions but not for the Top 25.

Gotcha...Amherst went 1-2 this week, Hobart 2-0

Pat Coleman

Quote from: Oline89 on January 13, 2020, 06:12:36 PM
Gotcha...Amherst went 1-2 this week, Hobart 2-0

The voters also know exactly who the three games were against, though, and don't just boil it down to a win-loss total.
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Oline89

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2020, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: Oline89 on January 13, 2020, 06:12:36 PM
Gotcha...Amherst went 1-2 this week, Hobart 2-0

The voters also know exactly who the three games were against, though, and don't just boil it down to a win-loss total.

Fair enough, thanks for the explanation.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

To Pat's point about SOS ... that number is also all over the place right now especially when conference action hasn't even turned the corner into the second half of most double-round robins. It is an equation the NCAA committees have for at large sections... most of us voters know what it means, but it doesn't mean anything to how good a team really is.

As Pat said, we look at a lot of things. I debated Hobart, but I still kept them off for a little longer. I just need to see more.

And to Ryan's point ... I'm not voting for Amherst and haven't for several weeks.
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UfanBill

Hobart has shown to be the class of the league so far but has a tough road game at Union tonight. The 11-1, 5-0 Statesmen took a hard fought 76-74 victory over the Dutchmen 6-4, 3-2 when they last met in Schenectady. Union will have to shoot lights out to have a chance this time around.
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d3d3d3

Union takes down Hobart.

stlawus

Nice win for Union tonight.   That's the Union I saw against SLU.   Ride or die with the 3, but when it works, it works.

hopefan

So I watched RPI beat Union, union started out awful, had a comeback, but couldn't catch up...

Hobart beat Ithaca

now Union beats Hobart?

Who is left undefeated and in 1st place???   The old alma mater, RPI!!!... Who wudda thought????

Seems they still have 2 with Hobart, 2 with Ithaca.... let's wait and see...   
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