MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Browneagle64]

Nope,

I still think you are a bit confused YoungBuc. Pat and his evidence are dead on. Thats about how much money they get. If you think thats how much they boys in Orange paid and had some roll-over money left, then you are wrong.
Since you spoke to the good people at Oxy's athletic dept. did they tell you that the Man's BBall used that roll-over money to make their locker room all tricked out with 50 Big screen t.v.'s, personal messages from a massus(sp?), state of the art carpets that resist any stains and their very own personal assistants???
Oh wait, the Rock is not laguan beach. Nor do they have the best locker room.  

[bucs77]

WOW, I can't believe how far you guys are off.  If you want the straight numbers then chew on this.  WW is given in the 25,000 range at the beginning of the year from the school.  Fundraising by the coach and players gets them up to over double where they start.  Think about what you are saying before you talk.  Oh and yes that is a fact because I am one of the donors for their program and have talked with the WW coaches on more than one occasion about the #s

[Pat Coleman]

Whitworth isn't the only school that does this, though.

[diehardfan]

As the team that travels the most (IMHO) in the West, Puget Sound came in at $75,513 for that time period.

Bucs77, we all have to seriously question your statements when you flat out lied about contacting the adminstrations of both of the schools. But even if that's the case, all that gets you is the privilage of considering yourself lucky to support a program that the alumni are dumping a lot of funds into. Don't make the assumption that other programs have that luxury.

[bucs77]

I feel like there is an echo in here.  We are having the same conversation on 2 boards, anyway.  The question was over who was allocated more resources/funds at the beginning of the year by their respective school.  WW or Oxy.  You have established that OXY spent less overall. That was not the question.  I have answered it and it is factual assuming I was not given false information by the athletic dept.s.  you can research the correct question for yourself or we will drop it.

[Pat Coleman]

I know the D-I exhibition and regular season games that Occidental plays are fundraisers.

Gee, wow, maybe both schools raise funds.

Show your cards. You can't win the hand without showing your cards.

[wildcat11]

As a sidebar to the "discussion" going on in here.  I thought the SCIAC'ers would find this info to be interesting.

Here is the breakdown on the NWC and SCIAC in terms of Operating Expenses:

SCIAC:
$44,028-Oxy
$36,175-Claremont
$23,975-Redlands
$22,000-Chapman
$16,262-Cal Lu
$14,507-LaVerne
$14,431-Pamona
$10,400-Whittier

NWC:
$75,513 -UPS
$58,667-Whitworth
$47,981-Whitman
$47,591-GFU
$46,153-Willamette
$41,498-Linfield
$34,384-Pacific
$30,853-L&C

[diehardfan]

Show your cards. You can't win the hand without showing your cards.

You also can't win the hand with out having better cards to begin with... if your opponents call your bluff. 

[diehardfan]

As a sidebar to the "discussion" going on in here.  I thought the SCIAC'ers would find this info to be interesting.

Here is the breakdown on the NWC and SCIAC in terms of Operating Expenses:

Yay! A solely fact based discussion post, better than I do it. K+ to you.

[bucs77]

man you totally called me on it.  I made up everything.  I didn't already know whitworth's school given budget and I certainly didn't dial 10 numbers on a phone to call oxy athletic dept. and say that I was interested in how much the school gives to each athletic team.    It was so hard to believe.  Thanks for calling me on it.  I won't lie ever again mom.

[Pat Coleman]

Finally, a fact.

[bucs77]

haha. I got a fact for you.  How about you give me your phone # and I call you and give you the names and exact #s

[diehardfan]

man you totally called me on it.  I made up everything.  I didn't already know whitworth's school given budget and I certainly didn't dial 10 numbers on a phone to call oxy athletic dept. and say that I was interested in how much the school gives to each athletic team.    It was so hard to believe.  Thanks for calling me on it.  I won't lie ever again mom.

No problem, son. We all make mistakes. The key is learning from them so you don't make them again. Now go sit in the corner for a time out.

[pineconefan]

Alright, alright, alright...

Getting back to the original point - DIIIghetto made a dumb insinuation that Whitworth and UPS ducked Oxy and CMS this year during the trip south:

"Can UPS and Whitworth come down to the southland next year and schedule CMS or Oxy and not Whittier, Cal tech, La Verne or a young CLU team?" - D3G (January 21, 2007, 01:45:22 am)

Whitworth and UPS follows rightly questioned how D3G knew who both teams tried to schedule (talk about unnamed sources!).

Then the legitimate question of why does the travel always have to be one-way arose.  OxyB jumped in with the recording of Coach Newhall.  He says they CAN'T because they don't have a big enough budget.

But, based on the factual numbers that Wildcat11 provided, we see that Oxy has the biggest budget (or spends the most - all semantics) in the SCIAC.  Yet CMS has traveled to the Northwest and CLU makes an every-other-year trip to Hawaii.

So the conclusion on not that Oxy can't, but that they won't.

[diehardfan]

Pineconefan, thanks for the cogent contribution to the discussion. In addition, I looked up my own alma mater, and we spent a few thousand less than Oxy in 2006. Wheaton travels pretty regularly, including a trip out here to play Whittier, Redlands, and LaSierra (at the Whittier Poet's classic) last season and some regional travel to sourthern IN and Michigan.

This still, obviously, doesn't make bucs77's argument any more right, but I digress.

I am now a little curious as to what Oxy uses their budget for since it doesn't generally include long distance trips.