MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[diehardfan]

I cannot get the game on Windows MP from the OXY site....

Mind giving time and score?

Yeah, it turned off a while ago. Little anxiety goin on right now for Oxy fans... 

Oshkosh lost tonight too, they were oddly ranked above Oxy in the last West poll despite no logical reason that I could see. Oxy will pass them for sure in the regional rankings (obviously important from a seeding perspective) if they win tonight. Though I must admit that until a half hour ago, I would have expected that to be WHEN they win tonight. 

Whittier gave Redlands quite the game too... I thought they looked pretty good, but assumed it was a fluke. Apparently it's not. it's a shame they're peaking so late in the season, they could have really made things interesting in the SCIAC if they had gotten decent earlier! 

[Gray Fox]

They are making things interesting enough if they force a playoff game.

I guess you should have kept your poll open!

[diehardfan]

They are making things interesting enough if they force a playoff game.

I guess you should have kept your poll open!

Sounds like a bunch of us are trying to listen... maybe we overloaded it!

And, you may be right! 

[Gray Fox]

They are making things interesting enough if they force a playoff game.

I guess you should have kept your poll open!

Sounds like a bunch of us are trying to listen... maybe we overloaded it!

And, you may be right! 

I was paying bills on line.  It must be some security in the banking system.  Sorry!

[Gray Fox]

CLU lost 62-49.   Makes Oxy game moot.

PP 77-72 winner at La Verne

Redlands 125-43

Which game was OxyBob attending?

[diehardfan]

Whitter lost by two in 2OT... WOW! 

[DIIIghetto]

Now we are talking.  Can't believe Oxy pulled that one out.  I got cut off when they were down 10 with 10 to go.  Talk about stepping up.  Many of us will be looking forward to OB's game summary - since heaven knows their non-existent SID won't put anything up worthy of the Tiger's athletic program (or some 8th grade parochial school programs for that matter).  Just a huge, huge win. 

Pulling for a 'bye' and then sold out game at Hershey Park West.

Congrats to the Tiger nation and thanks for helping make our conference relevant beyond the friendly sunny confines of Southern California.  Bask in it tonight, maybe even tomorrow, then get ready to go to war to show some folks in other parts of the country that you can play.   

OB, make sure that you include in your post a comment about how wrong I was about CMS...

[bbaddict]

DIIIghetto.   So, at the risk of sounding dreadfully misinformed, how is it that Oxy, who just won by 2 points in OT over a team at the bottom of the SCIAC, with a score befitting a women's regulation length BB game is going to show the country anything?  Just wondering?

And, I'm still wondering how Oxy ranks above Whitworth regionally.  Some things just don't make sense.   I'm ready to be enlightened.

[diehardfan]

DIIIghetto.   So, at the risk of sounding dreadfully misinformed, how is it that Oxy, who just won by 2 points in OT over a team at the bottom of the SCIAC, with a score befitting a women's regulation length BB game is going to show the country anything?  Just wondering?

And, I'm still wondering how Oxy ranks above Whitworth regionally.  Some things just don't make sense.   I'm ready to be enlightened.

2   11.391   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.957 (22-1)   23-2
7   10.640   2   St. Thomas   0.880 (22-3)   22-3
14   10.318   3   St. John's   0.864 (19-3)   19-6
17   10.250   4   Occidental   0.813 (13-3)   18-5
28   10.000   5   UW-Oshkosh   0.783 (18-5)   21-5
34   9.909   6   Whitworth   0.864 (19-3)   22-3

Occidental is higher in QOWI by a lot, that's how. What REALLY surprises me is that Occidental was ranked below Oshkosh, not that they were above Whitworth. They must be using other criteria besides the most common ones to do that one. I assume that after Oshkosh lost they aren't going to be ahead of Oxy in the super secret rankings done Sunday for the selection/seeding process.

[Howlinwolf]

DIIIghetto.   So, at the risk of sounding dreadfully misinformed, how is it that Oxy, who just won by 2 points in OT over a team at the bottom of the SCIAC, with a score befitting a women's regulation length BB game is going to show the country anything?  Just wondering?

And, I'm still wondering how Oxy ranks above Whitworth regionally.  Some things just don't make sense.   I'm ready to be enlightened.

The Era of Enlightenment:
a)Whittier was finally at full strength
after a series of injuries that depleted their squad virtually the entire year.
b)The game was at Whittier, the season finale. 
c) Oh, and one other minor tidbit - Oxy goes its second consecutive game without its star, Betty, arguably one of the top two players in SCIAC.

Gutsy win.

[bbaddict]

That's what I'm talking about -- the QOWI --  how is it that Oxy has such a high rating when it plays Cal Tech twice & Whittier twice.   What coulda, shoulda, mighta been doesn't count -- only actual wins & players actually playing count.   Whitworth beat Cal Lutheran which is one of SCIAC's big guns, right? 

I'm not arguing that it was a great win for Oxy or that Whittier might have been having a late season burst, but c'mon 62-60 with TWO overtimes?  The game at LC against UPS was 66-60 in regulation and everyone wondered why such low scores. 

Guess we'll find out in the playoffs, but it seems that Oxy might be overrated on paper.

[bucs77]

Doesn't really make sense to me either seeing as how the NWC is ranked above the SCIAC in the Massey rankings and obviously a tougher league top to bottom.  Who have they played to make their QOWI so high?  St. Thomas?  La Sierra?

[diehardfan]

Guess we'll find out in the playoffs, but it seems that Oxy might be overrated on paper.

If Betty's injury is serious (a week worth of games is not nothing so maybe it's significant) and Oxy plays without their All American, I don't think how Oxy does in the tournament will reflect badly on how their were rated earlier on. Sorry just wouldn't make sense.

[bbaddict]

So, basically diehardfan, you're saying that Oxy isn't that great without Betty?  Here in the NWC, we consider basketball a team sport -- injuries happen, but there's someone eager & ready to pick up where that one left off.  All teams deal with injuries and heaven forbid, academic ineligibility -- but they win & lose as a team.   I hope Betty gets better if they have to play either LC or Whitworth because they are both deep teams -- lots of talent!

No one has answered the question about WHO Oxy actually plays during the regular season that gives them such OOMPH in the QOWI.   

Thanks for backing me up bucs77 -- I just really don't get the discrepancy between the QOWI stuff and the Top 25 polls.  I think sometimes teams get extra points for their history and it should start with a clean slate each season.

[tigersports]

My apologies for the broadcast tonight.  For whatever reason, an internet connection was hard to come by (I blame the scoreboard operator   -- see below)  

Anyway, here is the last 17 seconds of the second OT:

http://media.libsyn.com/media/oxybroadcast/oxy-wc-last17.mp3

Not sure if any of you know about how regulation ended, but for those that weren't there, here goes.  Game tied at 46, 8.5 seconds left.  Inbound to Fanning, Oxy, seeing that the scoreboard says that WC has four fouls, fouls Fanning on the floor with 2.5 left.  Only, you guessed, the woman running the scoreboard hasn't exactly paid attention to every last foul committed by the home side.  In fact, the official book had it at 6 fouls at the time.  After a lengthy discussion, it's determined that it's a 1 and 1.

Oxy, as you can imagine, goes ballistic.  Even Newhall gets mad.  Hennacy and the Whittier SID (who has the official book but hasn't seen fit to tell the scoreboard operator that she's off a foul or two) start screaming at each other.  One of the refs tells Hennacy, "It's not my job to count the fouls."  Fans come down in the stands and start yelling at the WC game personnel, including yelling at a guy that is probably the AD.  Security is called in because the crowd is getting unruly and the situation may turn ugly.

So Fanning, about an 83% shooter is at the line to win the game.   It's senior night, he's gotten his flowers and proud hugs from his parents, played a great game and steps to the line.    Of course, he misses and the game goes to OT.  

After a 6-6 first OT, the game goes to the double-ot.  WC has at least two chances to take a five point lead but can't.  Finally, Whitman, who was about 1 for 97 in the game, makes a three to tie it.  After a turnover, Kostic scores to give Oxy the lead.  McLean makes a tough putback with 24 seconds left to tie it.  After a time out, Whitman drives and his shot is blocked.  McLean picks it up and takes a couple of dribbles and Whitman hacks him, but there's no call and Whitman gets the steal.  He passes to Pitcher, who's only in the game because Betty is hurt and Mills has fouled out and drains an 18-footer.   Ritter then barely misses from midcourt and Oxy wins and goes to the tourney (and a certain announcer goes the Leonard Tose route).   We then find out that Cal Lu lost and Oxy was in anyway.  No one really cares.

Anyway, great and memorable ending.  Sam better get healthy real quick.