MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Mr. Ypsi]

(Before you smite either me or my MUCH younger fellow alum, Q, bear in mind that we both ARE voting for Oxy [him, officially; me in the Posters' Poll.)

The Posters' Poll? Isn't that the one where one of the voters doesn't even have Puget Sound -- one of the most exciting, dynamic, entertaining and talented teams around -- on his ballot? Yeah, right, that's a credible poll.

Rightly or wrongly, a team (or conference) without a history of success will have a harder time gaining respect (and will lose it more quickly) than a team (or conference) that has proven itself with long-term performance.  And moreover, their schedule will more readily be dismissed until the teams (or conferences) on it have proven themselves.  It may be right, it may be wrong, but it is what it is.

Of all the condescending, uppity and patronizing statements I've read from a guy whose team is a middling 10-8 overall and 4-3 in conference, that one was the most recent.

OxyBob

OB, you might want to rethink this (most recent) "condescending, etc." riposte.

Oxy in IN the top 25 in the Posters' Poll (but not in the real poll).

My 'middling' team is not.

You're right - the PP probably has no credibility!  

(Fortunately, that is not a claim I ever made for it. )

[Mr. Ypsi]

BTW, sciacguru, IWU beat Carthage tonite and is now tied with them for 2nd place in the CCIW - "bottom tier", indeed!

Not sure what this does for your overall argument, since you also talked about Carthage.  Since Oxy thumped my Titans by 21, I imagine it is a net plus.  I'll let it slide this time, but any further dissing of my Titans and I reach for the 'smite' button!  ["bottom tier" - ptooey! ] 

[scandihoovian]

Nice win for the Kingsmen down at Rains.  Looks like CMS had their hands full at Redlands.  No surprise that Oxy held serve against ULV, but I'd be interested to hear Bob's impressions of the Leos if he made the game.

Should be a fun second half of conference play!

[LogShow]

The Posters' Poll? Isn't that the one where one of the voters doesn't even have Puget Sound -- one of the most exciting, dynamic, entertaining and talented teams around

Thats a heck of a compliment about Puget Sound Bob, thanks for appreciating the work and effort Puget Sound puts into its brand of basketball!

The minute a team gets a compliment like that they go out and give the most uninspired preformance I have seen in years...disheartening

[Gray Fox]

I caught a bit of Bob's work as a color man last night.  As soon as he grows several more inches, he will almost be as good as Bill Walton.

Nice win for G. Fox over UPS.

[sciacguru]

"them apples" taste awfully similar to "sour grapes".   (Before you smite either me or my MUCH younger fellow alum, Q, bear in mind that we both ARE voting for Oxy [him, officially; me in the Posters' Poll.)

With no disrespect, I hope you are not comparing the "bottom tier" CCIW wins of Augie to the bottom tier of the SCIAC (especially since one of those "bottom tier" wins was over IWU, who has been used as a plus for Oxy)!

Rightly or wrongly, a team (or conference) without a history of success will have a harder time gaining respect (and will lose it more quickly) than a team (or conference) that has proven itself with long-term performance.  And moreover, their schedule will more readily be dismissed until the teams (or conferences) on it have proven themselves.  It may be right, it may be wrong, but it is what it is.

I apologize for hurting your delicate, sensitive nature about your beloved Titans.  It was not my intention, they just got caught in the crossfire.  I understand "it is what it is" and that the CCIW has earned the respect, through years of producing some of the best D3 basketball.  I just wanted to make notice of winning and/or losing to earning and losing pts in the Top 25, and how Oxy has been shafted the past 2 weeks.  Things may change this week as there have been some losses in the Top 25 this weekend giving Oxy a ray of hope.

BTW, sciacguru, IWU beat Carthage tonite and is now tied with them for 2nd place in the CCIW - "bottom tier", indeed!

Not sure what this does for your overall argument, since you also talked about Carthage.  Since Oxy thumped my Titans by 21, I imagine it is a net plus.  I'll let it slide this time, but any further dissing of my Titans and I reach for the 'smite' button!  ["bottom tier" - ptooey!]

In actuality, I didnt talk about Carthage, I stressed Augustana, but Wheaton's loss to North Central does support my debate, wouldnt you think?  Now, let's see if Wheaton falls out of the top 25.

[Titan Q]

In actuality, I didnt talk about Carthage, I stressed Augustana, but Wheaton's loss to North Central does support my debate, wouldnt you think?  Now, let's see if Wheaton falls out of the top 25.

Having seen both Oxy and Wheaton, I think they are extremely similar and pretty even in terms of rankings.  Overall, I'd say Oxy is better, but just by a tad.  Oxy has more size down low.

I'd love to see Kent Raymond (22.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.5 apg) and Connor Whitman (17.9 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.4 apg) go at it!

Interestingly, Massey has Wheaton #31 and Oxy #33, but that's a couple games behind...

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

[Mr. Ypsi]

"them apples" taste awfully similar to "sour grapes".   (Before you smite either me or my MUCH younger fellow alum, Q, bear in mind that we both ARE voting for Oxy [him, officially; me in the Posters' Poll.)

With no disrespect, I hope you are not comparing the "bottom tier" CCIW wins of Augie to the bottom tier of the SCIAC (especially since one of those "bottom tier" wins was over IWU, who has been used as a plus for Oxy)!

Rightly or wrongly, a team (or conference) without a history of success will have a harder time gaining respect (and will lose it more quickly) than a team (or conference) that has proven itself with long-term performance.  And moreover, their schedule will more readily be dismissed until the teams (or conferences) on it have proven themselves.  It may be right, it may be wrong, but it is what it is.

I apologize for hurting your delicate, sensitive nature about your beloved Titans.  It was not my intention, they just got caught in the crossfire.  I understand "it is what it is" and that the CCIW has earned the respect, through years of producing some of the best D3 basketball.  I just wanted to make notice of winning and/or losing to earning and losing pts in the Top 25, and how Oxy has been shafted the past 2 weeks.  Things may change this week as there have been some losses in the Top 25 this weekend giving Oxy a ray of hope.

BTW, sciacguru, IWU beat Carthage tonite and is now tied with them for 2nd place in the CCIW - "bottom tier", indeed!

Not sure what this does for your overall argument, since you also talked about Carthage.  Since Oxy thumped my Titans by 21, I imagine it is a net plus.  I'll let it slide this time, but any further dissing of my Titans and I reach for the 'smite' button!  ["bottom tier" - ptooey!]

In actuality, I didnt talk about Carthage, I stressed Augustana, but Wheaton's loss to North Central does support my debate, wouldnt you think?  Now, let's see if Wheaton falls out of the top 25.

My apology for reacting in a "delicate,sensitive nature" sort of way!   Last year's 7th place finish was by far the worst IWU performance in the 60+ year history of the CCIW (they had never before finished below 5th, and have more titles than the next two teams combined).  I've been 'testy' ever since; 'bottom tier' pushed me over the brink!   (I also apologize for conflating the posts of other SCIAC posters with yours re: Carthage.)

Wheaton's loss to NCC (6th straight, though Wheaton has probably been the better team for the last four) is very reminiscent of Oxy's inability to beat an 'inferior' CMS team 5 straight times on their court.  This is the sort of 'hex' that voters outside the area will probably be unaware of.  While I (and Q) have had Oxy in the top 25 throughout, I think they will return there this week.

And I am still awaiting OxyBob's latest "condescending, uppity and patronizing" riposte!

[Mr. Ypsi]

And I am still awaiting OxyBob's latest "condescending, uppity and patronizing" riposte!

You're still here? It's over. Go home. Go!

OxyBueller

Nice!  Vicious and cruel, but nice,

Being the saintly person I am, I'll vote for Oxy anyway.

[Gregory Sager]

I am actually pretty familiar with the CCIW through many family connections to Augustana.  I still have lots of family in IL, and I know that when I am standing on a beach in Chicago I am looking at Lake Michigan and not the Atlantic Ocean.

Not necessarily. You could be standing on a beach in Chicago and looking at Lake Calumet, in which case I hope that you're wearing full protective hazardous-waste gear and are fully up-to-date with your inoculations.

[David Collinge]

Hey, leave me out of this! 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Oxy re-enters the poll (at #20!), and OB is still bitchin'!

[Pat Coleman]

Oxy re-enters the poll (at #20!), and OB is still bitchin'!

Yeah, and Oxy only had to win 15 out of 16 to do it.

OxyBob

Also known as six out of seven.

[sciacguru]

Oxy re-enters the poll (at #20!), and OB is still bitchin'!

Yeah, and Oxy only had to win 15 out of 16 to do it.

OxyBob

Also known as six out of seven.

Oxy has to win 15 of 16, or 6 of 7, or 6 in a row to break Top 20.  When they were top 25 before, they lose one game 3 wks ago, the conference opener, at a tough venue in CMS, and cant seem to get back in  til now.  Doesnt seem to be the norm when you lose....................

Wheaton loses 4 of last 7 - Now out of Top 25
Elmhurst loses 4 of last 7  - Just hanging on to 25
UW-Oshkosh loses 4 of last 8 - Sitting at 24 (now they did lose to Top 25 teams)

except.......

Williams loses 3 in a row - Out from #13 (only one I 100% agree with)

[Pat Coleman]

You mention UW-O lost to ranked teams but so did Wheaton (beat a ranked team and lost to a ranked team) and Elmhurst (lost three games to ranked teams).

Merely losing doesn't mean you drop out of the ranking. After nine years of our poll most people have figured this out. If you lose to a better team then often you stay pretty much in place, depending on what else happens around you.

I apologize -- I wasn't aware the conference OPENER had some special sacrosanct status that we should bow down to.

So it's road games.
Rivalry games.
Conference openers.
... what other games do we excuse now? Hmm?

Elmhurst is a lot like Occidental, by the way -- win against Illinois Wesleyan, win against a ranked team on a neutral floor. Except, of course, Elmhurst's win is against Hope. And it's on a truly neutral floor, a thousand miles away from each school rather than a neutral floor in your metro area.