MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[pineconefan]

Hmm, that seems less likely to me.  If the NWC team happens to win the first round in that scenario, then that team would likely have to fly back home then back down to Oxy for a second round. 

We know how the NCAA likes to avoid those extra flights.

[Ralph Turner]

In the 2006 Playoffs, Oxy hosted CMS for a first round game on Thursday night.  Oxy won and then flew to UPS for the second round game on Saturday night.

(day fixed)

[Pat Coleman]

Greg -- they will match up two conference teams in the first round if it's a Thursday first-round game. If it's a four-team regional then they'll avoid it.

Their example is correct.

The 2008 handbook does not say that, Pat. It says on page 17 under Pairings and Site Selection, "Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained." And that's all that it says about this particular subject.

The "geographic proximity" codicil obviously gives the committee an out, particularly in the case of a geographic orphan such as the SCIAC, but last year's mishap with the pairings did indicate that the committee is striving to keep even the teams from geographic-orphan conferences from playing each other in the first round. But, again, there is no indication whatsoever in the handbook that Thursday first-round games are treated any differently than Friday first-round games.

You're reading the book instead of reading the past pairings. Draw the inference -- it's a lot easier to maintain "geographic proximity" with four teams in one building on one night (Friday) than it is with two teams in one building on one night (Thursday).

Coming into the SCIAC board and telling them

The D3 championship handbook specifically states that teams from the same conference are to be kept from playing each other in the first round.

is pointless. They know better.

[Pat Coleman]

Hmm, that seems less likely to me.  If the NWC team happens to win the first round in that scenario, then that team would likely have to fly back home then back down to Oxy for a second round. 

Nah, they would stay in town. There's no point in flying back on Friday morning then back down for a Saturday night game.

[Gregory Sager]

Greg -- they will match up two conference teams in the first round if it's a Thursday first-round game. If it's a four-team regional then they'll avoid it.

Their example is correct.

The 2008 handbook does not say that, Pat. It says on page 17 under Pairings and Site Selection, "Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained." And that's all that it says about this particular subject.

The "geographic proximity" codicil obviously gives the committee an out, particularly in the case of a geographic orphan such as the SCIAC, but last year's mishap with the pairings did indicate that the committee is striving to keep even the teams from geographic-orphan conferences from playing each other in the first round. But, again, there is no indication whatsoever in the handbook that Thursday first-round games are treated any differently than Friday first-round games.

You're reading the book instead of reading the past pairings. Draw the inference -- it's a lot easier to maintain "geographic proximity" with four teams in one building on one night (Friday) than it is with two teams in one building on one night (Thursday).

I agree -- which is why I think that the committee will make an effort to give Oxy a four-team setup rather than a three-team setup, inasmuch as the Tigers are the #1 team in the West Region and have a very good chance of staying that way. Pairing them with a conference foe in the first round would mean forcing the Tigers to play on a Thursday night, with the idea that they would then go to someone else's gym on Saturday if they won, and the Tigers are simply ranked too highly for that to happen without making a sham of the entire regional ranking system.

I'm not denying the precedents that have been set in previous years. I'm simply taking the committee at its word that it will try to live up to the handbook by acknowledging the stated desire to keep conference foes apart in the first round, particularly since Oxy's strong position would appear to mandate that the Tigers play at home on Friday night -- or draw a bye and play their first game in a Saturday second-rounder -- rather than on Thursday night.

[Titan Q]

My prediction - Oxy will host a 4-team regional (is that what we're calling those?) for rounds 1 and 2 and then head to St. Louis for a Sectional at Wash U, where the field will also include Augustana (CCIW) and Centre (SCAC).

You heard it here first, folks.

[sciac_is_fun]

That all sounds nice, but for the moment I will settle for a win tonight against Pomona. Plus, everyone seems to have forgotten about Cal Lutheran, which has a darned good team that nobody knows about.

OxyBob

Bob, you've sure changed your tune about Cal Lu since early in the non-conference season (of course, that was before Meier came back).  I'll spare you busting out your 'interpretation' quote of Coach Rider's season preview interview...

[Pat Coleman]

Caltech won, 80-74 in OT.

[Pat Coleman]

Now Caltech has reversed the score on its Web site and lists it as an 80-74 loss.

[Pat Coleman]

I called to confirm. It's a loss.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

You had me at...

Caltech won

Oh well.....

[LogShow]

Big game for Oxy on Wednesday...it will be interesting to see how they can counce back.

Is hosting still possible for them?

[Fear the Poet]

For Whittier, Mike Archuletta had 20 points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 blocks in the Poets' win over Redlands. Marcus Gibson scored 16, and Jeff McLean had 10 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 blocks.

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Occidental 9-2
Cal Lutheran 9-2
Claremont 6-5
Pomona 6-5
Redlands 5-6
Whittier 5-6
La Verne 3-8
Caltech 0-11

CLU and Oxy have clinched 2 of the 4 spots in the conference tournament. CMS, Pomona, Whittier and Redlands are battling it out for the other 2.

OxyBob

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Arculetta is one of those types of players that I wouldn't like if he was on the other team, but love him as a Poet. He is a very annoying defensive presence for the opposing team. Always in your face and very pesky.

Usually he doesn't start, but when he comes in, Lucy says, "here comes your guy"

Reminds me of Rodman with his "everyone but his own team and fans probably can't stand him" personna.

I say, Arculeta for class president!

[Fear the Poet]

Arculetta is one of those types of players that I wouldn't like if he was on the other team, but love him as a Poet. He is a very annoying defensive presence for the opposing team. Always in your face and very pesky.

According to the Whittier web site, Archuletta hails from the town of Manhatten Beach [sic], which is just a stone's throw from Pleya Dal Ray.

OxyBob

we dont hold that against him

[sciacguru]

When is the SCIAC tourney??  The SCIAC website doesnt have it posted.
Is it the Fri (2/29) and Sat (3/1) after conferrence or the Sat (3/1) and Sun(3/2)??