MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

dahlby · November 24, 2009, 12:42:30 AM

OXY BOB:
So you replaced Chapman with some big time names. But I also see that you are going to be challenged twice by La Sierra and West Coast Baptist. Also, big time game against American Sport Institute.

I still can't figure out why you couldn't find a place for such another weakling like CU on your schedule.

I really wouldn't be knocking CU too much about their schedule after looking at yours.
It will be interestiing to note further into the season how each team does against common opponents. You are good at analysis, so I will be looking for your summary nearer the end of the season.

Happy Turkey Day to all!

Sabretooth Tiger · November 24, 2009, 11:17:30 PM

Quote from: dahlby on November 24, 2009, 12:42:30 AM
I really wouldn't be knocking CU too much about their schedule after looking at yours.

Yup, cuz playing Chapman will give our guys a whole lot better experience than facing CSU Fullerton and Southern Methodist . . .

What the heck is Coach Newhall thinking?

dahlby · November 25, 2009, 12:29:51 AM

Sabretooth Tiger:

I am specifically refering to The 2 West Coast Baptist and La Sierra games, along with the Sports Institute challenge. Seeing that you are from Oxy, I would have thought that you could have figured that out! I know that Oxy Bob would have. The rest of the SCIAC is playing CU this year. Maybe you can shed some insight why Oxy was planning to play us, then pulled out? I sure don't know why.

Happy Turkey weekend.

Sabretooth Tiger · November 25, 2009, 01:55:30 AM

How do you know Oxy was "planning to play" Chapman or that it "pulled out?" Making an awful lot of assumptions here aren't you? I have no insights. Frankly, I'm perfectly happy letting coach Newhall and the Oxy athletics department set the schedule that they think is best and I'll be a fan.

dahlby · November 25, 2009, 05:23:53 AM

Sabretooth Tiger:

I deal only in facts on this board. That is why I don't post very often.
I suggest that until and/or unless you have all the facts regarding the CU and/or Oxy
schedules that you refrain from commenting about them.

I am very aware of the problems that CU has in scheduling games with good in region opponents. If you look at their schedule, you can see for yourself.

Anyway, good luck to the Tigers this year. I have always had respect for Oxy's programs and their student athletes.

Gray Fox · November 25, 2009, 05:18:56 PM

Maybe it's Chapman's fault.

OxyBob · November 25, 2009, 05:26:18 PM

Quote from: dahlby on November 25, 2009, 12:29:51 AM
Maybe you can shed some insight why Oxy was planning to play us, then pulled out? I sure don't know why.

I think it's because Chapman wouldn't schedule a rubber game.

OxyBob

John Gleich · November 25, 2009, 06:47:51 PM

Interesting tidbit... I just compiled the WIAC non-conference schedule on the WIAC page, and there are no games between SCIAC and WIAC teams this year. Contrast this with 10 games between the WIAC and the NWC...

Not to reopen any can's of... yeah... about the SCIAC not getting enough love in the polls... it's very difficult to gauge a team (let alone a conference) based on a very small sample size. It appears to me that the MWC has reached out to the WIAC in terms of scheduling and though the flights are probably closer, it's not by a ton, so there shouldn't be too much extra expense in Madison to L.A. vs. Madison to Seattle.

Just a thought...!

dahlby · November 25, 2009, 07:30:21 PM

Gray Fox,
I see you used the word "maybe" which leads me to believe that you are just throwing out a comment.

PointSpecial,
You are right. Until the SCIAC teams, as well as Chapman, start playing some quality out of area teams that are ranked, they will be left with only the automatic bid, and Chapman will be left scratching their head wonderiing why they didn't receive an invite.

Chapman does play a playoff team from last year Saturday night against Elmhurst College (Chicago area). I know the dad of one of their starters, and he indicated that they lost some of their key players from last year and are rebuilding this year. We will just have to wait and see what happens at the game.

Gray Fox · November 25, 2009, 11:08:02 PM

Quote from: dahlby on November 25, 2009, 07:30:21 PM
Gray Fox,
I see you used the word "maybe" which leads me to believe that you are just throwing out a comment.

Just like you relating to the Chapman / Oxy schedules.

dahlby · November 26, 2009, 03:02:51 AM

Gray Fox,

Apparently you do not read well. I stated that I don't post unless I know something for sure. So if you have some facts, put 'em up. The weakest offense is a poor defense, and you have not refuted one thing regarding the Chapman schedule. So unless you go to a Chapman game and/or talk to the coaches, I suggest you limit your unfounded comments to something you have first hand knowledge of.

Cheers, ya' all!

Gray Fox · November 26, 2009, 12:40:58 PM

QuoteOXY BOB:
Lest you forget, Chapman defeated every SCIAC team they played last year. Can you refresh me on the OXY-CU score, as I can't seem to find it.

Also, I see OXY playing La Sierra twice, plus quite a few" do not count" games. But, I can't seem to locate OXY on CU'S schedule this year either. I don't understand it, would beating Chapman hurt your SOS rating?

Good luck this year!

Cheers,
Dahlby

This is your first post on this subject. There is nothing in it that says Oxy has avoided CU this year. Maybe they have, but you haven't stated so. I do not know, or really care. CU played here in Dallas a couple of years ago. Maybe they can do that again. When I talked to the CU assistant coach at the time, he never mentioned that some teams were avoiding them. Oxy has the same coach as they did then, so I don't think that is a problem. We did discuss Chapman's efforts to join the SCIAC, but that is a whole different subject that has been worn out on these pages.

Gregory Sager · November 26, 2009, 12:59:23 PM

Quote from: dahlby on November 25, 2009, 07:30:21 PMChapman does play a playoff team from last year Saturday night against Elmhurst College (Chicago area). I know the dad of one of their starters, and he indicated that they lost some of their key players from last year and are rebuilding this year. We will just have to wait and see what happens at the game.

To say that Elmhurst "lost some of their key players from last year" is a serious understatement. The entire front line from last season -- three All-CCIW performers, one of whom was a second-team All-American -- is gone. What's more, the backup center of the past two seasons -- who was projected to be the team's mainstay in the middle this year -- elected not to play in 2009-10. The Bluejays are going with a four-guard lineup, more out of necessity than strength, with the sole forward a 6'9 sophomore who had a grand total of three minutes' varsity playing time as a freshman.

The best indicator of the lack of respect that Elmhurst is getting in CCIW circles this season is the fact that a number of prognosticators in the CCIW pick'em room are taking Chapman in this game.

dahlby · November 26, 2009, 02:56:28 PM

Gregory Sager,

Thanks for the info, it confirms what an Elmhurst parent told me earlier. So much for scheduling Elmhurst last year in an effort to improve their SOS. Gotta give Elmhurst credit for still traveling out here to play CU and Redlands, though. I will be at the game Saturday night in Orange.

dahlby · November 26, 2009, 03:01:53 PM

Gray Fox,
The conversation started last year when the playoffs came up and Chapman did not make the tourney field with their record. I agreed that their SOS was a shame. I also indicated that despite their weak schedule, thet they still beat all the SCIAC teams that would play them. This year is better for CU's schedule, as all but Oxy are playing them this year, with two playing them twice. One step further, check the rest of the SCIAC's schedules and you will see that all the SCIAC teams are playing La Sierra twice, except CMS and someone else. Must be that beating up on La Sierra twice will help the SCIAC runner-up getting a Pool C bid based on SOS.