MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DIIIghetto]

You see all of the reasons to attend CMS.  If what they describe is appealing, CMS would be a good fit. 

Here are some other thoughts from someone who has been a SCIAC fan for decades:

a.  Pomona is the best school.  Full of top prep school kids; strong east coast feel.

b.  Claremont is a great school.  Full of determined, government and business majors.  Historically has been  one of the few real liberal arts republican leaning campuses. 

c.  Oxy is the next best school. 

d.  All 3 of those schools send graduates on to great places in life.  Undoubtedly, the other SCIAC schools do too, it is just that Oxy, Pomona & Claremont have been doing so for longer.

e.  The only two SCIAC teams to have had any meaningful success outside of the SCIAC are Oxy & Cal Lu.  And I only put Cal Lu in there because they had the great W against Wisconsin Stevens Point.   Oxy beat a #1 Amherst a few years ago.  Oxy's postseason success is all the more noticeable because Pomona & Claremont have punched so many more tickets to the Dance but have consistently come back with 1 and dones.  Claremont & Pomona have not yet figured out a way to crack the national cookie.  If you go to the SCIAC you have to deal with the reality that you will get a ****ty seed and will play a tough team on the road in front of a real crowd.   Frankly, until D3hoops started, there was no way for SCIAC fans like me to start calling this out in any meaningful way.    Bottom line, the SCIAC needs more players and coaches with chips on their shoulders for those non-southland games.   I have said for years that if Amherst & Williams can compete for national championships, the SCIAC can too.

f.  Oxy has a pipeline to Europe.  If you are looking to play overseas, Coach Newhall has sent by far the most of his own players over there (even helping out other top SCIAC players). 

g.  Hard to gauge Oxy at this point because all of its losses have come from D1s and one of LA's best NAIA teams.  They don't look deep but never do because Oxy likes to play 7 or 8 guys only.  Chances are, the SCIAC will be a dogfight with a ton of parity.

h.  Whittier looks very interesting.  Could this be the year for them?  I would say no.  Scali owns them and historically, Cal Lu, PP & Oxy also find ways to beat excellent talent at Whittier.



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[OxyBob]

What 3-5 colleges are most like Oxy in terms of bball skill level in the west?

We have WON the SCIAC Championship and SCIAC tournament out-right last year.

What is the only SCIAC school which has achieved a perfect 14-0 conference record and made the NCAA Elite 8? Oxy.

What SCIAC team defeated Claremont in the NCAA playoffs in 2005-2006? Oxy.

What SCIAC team won the conference championship in 2006-2007 and went to the NCAA playoffs? Oxy.

What SCIAC team defeated Pomona in the NCAA playoffs in 2007-2008? Oxy.

Ignore those CMS honks. The answer is Oxy, my friend, Oxy.

OxyBob

[David Collinge]

a.  Pomona is the best school.  Full of top prep school kids; strong east coast feel.

b.  Claremont is a great school.  Full of determined, government and business majors.  Historically has been  one of the few real liberal arts republican leaning campuses. 

c.  Oxy is the next best school. 

d.  All 3 of those schools send graduates on to great places in life.  Undoubtedly, the other SCIAC schools do too, it is just that Oxy, Pomona & Claremont have been doing so for longer.

I think you may be overlooking the 3,000 pound Beaver in the room.

[NY24]

Sorry
I don't know about "the beaver"...help me

[David Collinge]

I refer to Caltech, which is not an answer to your original question (about comparable basketball skill level to Oxy; Caltech sucks at basketball, in case you haven't heard) but which certainly belongs on if not atop a list of the top academic schools in the SCIAC (indeed, the world).

[OxyBob]

I don't know about "the beaver"...help me

Try this:

"Can I buy you another drink?"

OxyBob

[David Collinge]

D3 hoops beaver jokes begin and end with CCNY:

[oldchap]

I used restraint in regards to selling one's school, but since everyone is going all out, allow me to make my pitch.

Chapman isn't one of those top rated liberal arts college such as Pomona, Claremont, or Occidental. If these schools are rated as "most selective" by US News and World Report (they are ranked in the top 10 nationwide), Chapman is neverthelss considered a "more selective" school, with an average HS GPA of 3.7 and average SAT nearing the 1800 for the most recent entering freshman class.

A big difference is the fact that Chapman is twice as big as the other SCIAC schools and unlike these other schools, features a Law School as well as a fairly decent range of Master's programs. For instance, you can get your MBA in 5 years, fresh out of high school, something you couldn't do at a liberal arts College. It also has one of the best film schools in the nation, often cited along with the likes of USC and UCLA.

Chapman is located in beautiful downtown Orange, a quaint little town in the middle of an affluent and business oriented County, a stone throw away from Disneyland and centrally located to anywhere you want to go in Southern California: the beach, the mountains, downtown, San Diego, airports, etc. It is one of the fastest growing University in California. Some people even claim that Chapman is on its way to become the "USC of Orange County", as it grows and attracts more students from out of state.

In terms of basketball, Chapman isn't part of the SCIAC conference, but the reason we often post in this forum is because, as part of the Independents, we play close to half our games against SCIAC schools. Watch as I'm going to get pummeled by the fans here, but in some ways we feel we're part of the SCIAC family.... 

If you're looking for a smaller, highly academic liberal arts College, then any of the above mentioned schools are awesome choices. If you're looking for more of a University feel, with a decent size student population, yet still retaining the personal attention with an average size class of 20 to 30, then check out Chapman.

[fhsutiger]

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Chapman is located in beautiful downtown Orange, a quaint little town in the middle of an affluent and business oriented County, a stone throw away from Disneyland and centrally located to anywhere you want to go in Southern California: the beach, the mountains, downtown, San Diego, airports, etc. It is one of the fastest growing University in California. Some people even claim that Chapman is on its way to become the "USC of Orange County", as it grows and attracts more students from out of state.

In terms of basketball, Chapman isn't part of the SCIAC conference, but the reason we often post in this forum is because, as part of the Independents, we play close to half our games against SCIAC schools. Watch as I'm going to get pummeled by the fans here, but in some ways we feel we're part of the SCIAC family.... 

Does that mean Chapman is going to start getting repremanded by the NCAA for recruiting problems. Are we going to see an OJ Mayo type incident at Champan in the near future. HMMMMMMM?

Something to think about...........

[fhsutiger]

NY24...to be real honest...it really comes down to this.

When picking a school, it really comes down to these 6 things:

1. Do you like the Coach! Does his style fit your style?
2. Would I enjoy playing with the guys they have returning on the team.
3. Do the Facilities meet my needs?
4. Am I going to get a good education, and have a job ready for me when I am ready to graduate.
5. Is there any HOT girls at the College?
(CMS is 4-1 I believe when it come to girl to guy ratio, heck...you have an all-girls college just footsteps away)

Am I missing anything?

Take these 5 questions and if you can answer them, and you are happy with your results...then you have your college. Good Luck!

[OxyBob]

Does that mean Chapman is going to start getting repremanded by the NCAA for recruiting problems. Are we going to see an OJ Mayo type incident at Champan in the near future. HMMMMMMM?

That's less of a concern for a recruit than the requirement that all basketball players at Chapman must serve a 4-year mission, which means dedicating a specific amount of time going from college-to-college while begging opposing coaches to play Chapman. Most Chapman basketball missions are for the purpose of scrounging up games, but there are many other ways one can serve as a Chapman basketball missionary, including welcoming La Sierra players, coaches and fans when they come to play at Chapman four or five times every season.

Chapman basketball missionaries always work together in pairs, and follow specific mission rules and guidelines. Chapman basketball missionaries have an important message to share with those who will let them into their gyms and offices and listen: "Play us. PLEASE play us!"

A full-time Chapman basketball mission is served by each player for a minimum of 48 months, extended to 60 months for those on the 5-year graduation track. The players' over-involved, overwrought, overheated sports dads and moms may also participate, though this is not required. A full-time Chapman basketball mission is served 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Chapman basketball missionaries teach the gospel of Chapman basketball, including their never-ending belief and faith that someone other than La Sierra will play them.

What are the objectives of Chapman basketball missionaries?

1. Grow as human beings. Nothing makes a man out of you faster than the constant rejection by other basketball coaches and schools.

2. Collect some good stories. Hear about what it's like to play someone other than La Sierra for your entire basketball career.

3. Make friends. Being a Chapman basketball missionary forces you to meet new people, and there is a fantastic opportunity to develop many life long friendships with players, coaches, and fans of other schools who otherwise won't give Chapman the right time of day.

4. Pass the time. If I may be blunt on this point, being a Chapman basketball missionary isn't much fun. The rules tether you 24-7 to another Chapman player who you probably wouldn't choose to hang around with 24 hours a day, and you spend all of your time trying to get people to play you when they have absolutely no interest.

If this sounds like what you're looking for, then Chapman is the school for you!

OxyBob

[stag44]

I used restraint in regards to selling one's school, but since everyone is going all out, allow me to make my pitch.

Chapman isn't one of those top rated liberal arts college such as Pomona, Claremont, or Occidental. If these schools are rated as "most selective" by US News and World Report (they are ranked in the top 10 nationwide), Chapman is neverthelss considered a "more selective" school, with an average HS GPA of 3.7 and average SAT nearing the 1800 for the most recent entering freshman class.

A big difference is the fact that Chapman is twice as big as the other SCIAC schools and unlike these other schools, features a Law School as well as a fairly decent range of Master's programs. For instance, you can get your MBA in 5 years, fresh out of high school, something you couldn't do at a liberal arts College. It also has one of the best film schools in the nation, often cited along with the likes of USC and UCLA.

I think that we will have to agree to disagree on the rankings between the Claremont College and Chapman.

Also, with the Claremont Consortium, while you may go to a college of 1100 kids, you have the resources of 5 specialized undergrad schools, along with 2 graduate universities and over 10 research institutes. With Claremont you get a top-end school specializing in Econ, Finance, and Political Science. Harvey Mudd provides the BEST undergraduate Engineering college in the nation. Pomona also boasts a high end natural sciences and humanities programs. So, you can also get an MBA in 5 years from Claremont Graduate University, as well as a newly instituted Masters of Finance from CMC.

Regardless, ALL of these schools are GREAT places to play hoops, but more importantly get a solid education and great network.

NY24...to be real honest...it really comes down to this.

When picking a school, it really comes down to these 6 things:

1. Do you like the Coach! Does his style fit your style?
2. Would I enjoy playing with the guys they have returning on the team.
3. Do the Facilities meet my needs?
4. Am I going to get a good education, and have a job ready for me when I am ready to graduate.
5. Is there any HOT girls at the College?
(CMS is 4-1 I believe when it come to girl to guy ratio, heck...you have an all-girls college just footsteps away)

Am I missing anything?

Take these 5 questions and if you can answer them, and you are happy with your results...then you have your college. Good Luck!

I like the set of questions. The most important thing in decided where to go for school is how you feel when you walk on campus and what interaction is like between you and students. Once you get into the upper tier of education, the differentiating factor for each person is how you can tailor the education for you.

[oldchap]

"Sticks and Stones", OxyBob, "Sticks and Stones"....

The fact is, Chapman today is ranked 19th in the nation, 6th in the West, they are 7-1 against SCIAC teams (they were 8-0 last season). They boast the 25th highest RPI in DIII basketball and they currently rank first in Pool B contention.

Meanwhile, we can't tell how good (or how bad) Occidental really is because of their schizophrenic non conference play: they lost where they were expected to lose and won against a bunch of Junior Varsity High School teams.

BTW, your post wasn't really "politically correct", but that's OK, I guess. Everyone here knows you.

Happy New Year to you, OxyBob, may the rest of the season bring your beloved Tigers on top of the SCIAC, so we can banter some more when we play each other in the first round of the playoffs.

And a Happy New Year to all of you, SCIAC fans, and good luck for the upcoming season. I predict a dog fight to the finish line! 

[OxyBob]

Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 72 Monmouth 58

Got a chance to see Cal Lutheran play last night against Monmouth of the Midwest Conference in the first game of CLU's Thrivent Financial for Lutherans Tournament. CLU got off to a 9-0 lead, but the Scots came back and took the lead 26-25 on Kendall Cox's 3-ball at 2:20. Monmouth led 33-29 at the half. In the second half, Monmouth led 38-36, but Kyle Knudsen scored the next 10 for the Kingsmen to put CLU up 46-42, and from there CLU outmuscled the Scots, opened it up to 63-47 at 6:30, and there's your ballgame.

For Cal Lutheran, Kyle Knudsen and Greg Grimm each had 17, Andy Meier had 16 and 7 rebounds, and Aaron Fisher scored 13 and had 8 rebounds. For Monmouth, Kendall Cox had 15.

CLU outrebounded Monmouth 36-31. With the win Cal Lutheran is now 5-4; Monmouth drops to 1-8.

Tonight at 8:00 CLU plays Hamline, which beat Wheaton 69-68 in last night's second game. I didn't stay for the game, but I'm sure that Wheaton fell prey to the usual CCIW calamities of flying on a plane, seeing the Hollywood sign, too little sleep, sunshine in December, and overall bad mojo.

BTW, your post wasn't really "politically correct"

Oh, did I offend you? Good. What part didn't you like, the basketball missionary part, the no one will play Chapman part, or the overheated sports dad part? For someone who "doesn't say a peep" about my posts, you sure do a lot of yapping about them. You're not related to Mr. Ypsi, are you?

OxyBob

[dahlby]

OXYBOB,

Didn't sleep well last night, eh? Must be all the pressure of that big away game tonight....at La Sierra?

Happy New Year to all!!!!!

Dahlby