MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OxyBob]

So far Chapman has played D-III teams with a combined record of 33-54, which is a .443 OWP.

Is this Enron accounting?

Uh, no.

Pomona is 4-6
Cal Lutheran is 6-5
La Verne is 3-7
Elmhurst is 5-6
UCSC is 4-10
George Fox is 4-6
Claremont is 8-3
Redlands is 3-7
Whittier is 6-4

4+6+3+5+4+4+8+3+6 = 43
6+5+7+6+10+6+3+7+4 = 54

43/97 = .443

I promise I'll go away now, but I can't help it to open my mouth when I see blatant and biased inaccuracies.

2-1 says you'll be back within the hour.

OxyBob

[OxyBob]

Oxy 83 Emerson 65 Final

Oxy never trailed. 11-0 run made it 37-18. Halftime 41-28. Emerson didn't get closer than 15 in 2nd half.
OC: Huston Conti 22, Jack Hanley 17, Deshun McCoy 16 pts and 8 rebs, Sean Anderson 13 pts and 12 rebs.
Records: Oxy 8-3, Emerson 3-5

Emerson plays Pomona tomorrow night at 5:00 p.m. at Oxy.

OxyBob

[fhsutiger]

OXy seems to be a very competitive team. I haven't had the chance to see them this year. Deshun McCoy seems to be a good fit for that team. Bob, can you give me a recap on this team. I know all I need to know in regards to the returners in Anderson, Conti, and Hanley, but how are the new guys doing? What's your prediction on Oxy's SCIAC schedule?

[OxyBob]

Bob, can you give me a recap on this team. I know all I need to know in regards to the returners in Anderson, Conti, and Hanley, but how are the new guys doing? What's your prediction on Oxy's SCIAC schedule?

Oxy will be better than last year when they were 11-14 and 7-7 in the conference. They have two freshmen starters, point guard Eric Leider and forward Deshun McCoy, along with senior center Sean Anderson, senior guard Huston Conti, who's back from a year abroad in France, and sophomore forward Jack Hanley. In nonconference play all five starters have averaged in double figures, with Conti leading the way with 16.7 ppg. 3-ball-wise, Hanley is the leader so far, shooting .638 on 14-for-22. As a team the Tigers have shot 49.8% FGs, 43.4% 3-pointers, and 72.3% FTs. Oxy is averaging 75.1 ppg and has given up 68.2. The 3 primary subs are forward Jake Copithorne, and guards Dave Ostrow and Peter Gierlach. No one else has gotten significant minutes.

Size-wise except for 6'10" Anderson the Tigers aren't real big, and their front line's not beefy like it was a couple of seasons ago when they had Hunt-Sasich-Pitcher-Meier at forward.

You've seen Oxy play, and they haven't changed their style. They like to push the ball up the floor and go to the basket. In a half court set they like to get the ball in to Anderson for some close in shots, and if that's not open he'll kick it back out to one of the shooters. Leider has shown good ball handling skills, will drive to the basket, and has a nice pull-up jumper. McCoy is real smooth, has a soft touch on his shot, and is second on the team in rebounding behind Anderson. The only thing McCoy hasn't done well so far is shoot FTs. Leider, Hanley and Conti give Oxy a nice trio of 3-pointer threats. On defense Oxy plays a switching man-to-man, and likes to double the ball. I can't remember the last time Brian Newhall used a zone, except when he tried a box-and-one in a futile attempt to stop Amir Mazarei.

Overall like I said this will be a better Oxy team than last season. I figure them for 9-5 in conference, maybe 10-4 if things go well.

OxyBob

[OxyBob]

Emerson plays Pomona tomorrow night at 5:00 p.m. at Oxy.

Emerson 62, Pomona 56
PP: Justin Sexton 17 pts and 10 rebs, David Liss 11 pts, 6 assists, 3 steals

La Verne 89, West Coast Baptist 74
ULV: Billy Nicolini 17, Mychal Thomas and Matt Heyd 11 each, Austin Napolitano and Jonathan Bastos 10 each

Redlands 94, La Sierra 80

OxyBob

[oldchap]

OXy seems to be a very competitive team. I haven't had the chance to see them this year. Deshun McCoy seems to be a good fit for that team. Bob, can you give me a recap on this team. I know all I need to know in regards to the returners in Anderson, Conti, and Hanley, but how are the new guys doing? What's your prediction on Oxy's SCIAC schedule?

OxyBob,

FYI

The Massey Ratings are out for all divisions and currently Occidental College is placed in second position amongst all SCIAC teams, and first using BCS rankings. Maybe Oxy can be the sleeper team in the SCIAC this year after all... Too bad they refused to play Chapman this year, we could have had a better idea on how good they really are....

Here is the link: http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb

[OxyBob]

I promise I'll go away now

That didn't last.

The Massey Ratings are out for all divisions and currently Occidental College is placed in second position amongst all SCIAC teams, and first using BCS rankings.

The Massey Ratings don't mean squat. All that matters is winning the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference. FYI, a conference is an association of athletic teams which is organized to promote mutual interests and to compete chiefly among themselves. That would of course be a foreign concept to Chapman, which plays in a league of its own lonely, ostracized self.

Looking at the scores in the LA Times this morning, there's this one:

Cal Baptist 81, Cal Baptist 66

Cal Baptist, which entered the game with a 9-3 record, improved and fell to 10-4.

OxyBob

[fhsutiger]

OXy seems to be a very competitive team. I haven't had the chance to see them this year. Deshun McCoy seems to be a good fit for that team. Bob, can you give me a recap on this team. I know all I need to know in regards to the returners in Anderson, Conti, and Hanley, but how are the new guys doing? What's your prediction on Oxy's SCIAC schedule?

OxyBob,

FYI

The Massey Ratings are out for all divisions and currently Occidental College is placed in second position amongst all SCIAC teams, and first using BCS rankings. Maybe Oxy can be the sleeper team in the SCIAC this year after all... Too bad they refused to play Chapman this year, we could have had a better idea on how good they really are....

Here is the link: http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb

So I went and looked at the Massey Ratings and I see that Chapman is ranked 11 in the country due to their pre-season record, or what I would call the before break season.  After looking at it made me think...how far Chapman will fall after their next 13 or so games against unworthy opponents. So take a look at the schedule for the remainder of the year, and you be the judge of how far they would fall due to the schedule. Chapman should be thankful that this isn't like football, because they wouldn't be able to even be talked about with their schedule. See below, I even added the #10 team according the Massey Ratings. Old Chap, you have to move on to something else, because it's getting old. While we all know that we would love to see Chapman and Oxy duke it out to see who is better, and who would get bragging rights, it is getting old listening to you explain the fact that Chapman is the strongest team in our area. There NOT!!! So get over it!

#10 Mississippi College
Mississippi College
Concordia Texas   away
Univ. of Mary Hardin-Baylor away
Louisiana College home
Univ. of Texas at Tyler home
LeTourneau away
East Texas Baptist away
Ozarks Away
Texas-Dallas away
Conference Tourney
(probably better teams than La Sierra and Southwestern)

Close your eyes, this schedule is SCARY!!!!!!

#11 Chapman Schedule
@ Caltech
West Coast Baptist @ Home
@ La Sierra
Vs. UCSC @ Riverside, CA
Vs. Dallas @ Riverside, CA
@ La Sierra
@ Southwestern
Vs. Southwestern
Vs. La Sierra
@ Hope International
Vs. UC Santa Cruz
@ West Coast Baptist
DIII Independent Tournament against all these bad teams!

I forgot to add there ranking, but you can imagine it will probably go up due to there competition level.

Oxy's Schedule
Vs. Whittier
Vs. CMS
@ Cal Lutheran
Vs. Caltech
@ La Verne
@ Redlands
Vs. Pomona Pitzer
@ Whittier
@ CMS
Vs. Cal Lutheran
@ Cal Tech
Vs. Laverne
Vs. Redlands
@ Pomona Pitzer
SCIAC Tourney if top 4

[fhsutiger]

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So I went and looked at the Massey Ratings and I see that Chapman is ranked 11 in the country due to their pre-season record, or what I would call the before break season. 
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Excuse me.....NonConference Record.

[DIIIghetto]

Chapman, I think your team would have its hands full if it squeaks in a tournament bid and happens to draw Oxy.  Kind of like Kats's historical record against pretty much everyone in the SCIAC, I think Oxy has had some historical success against your school.  And if you aren't a fan of history, current events tell me that Chapman had its hands full in an early scrimmage this year against Oxy.  Check that with your sources to verify that one for us. 

Can anyone else explain to me what just happened to PP against Emerson?  After playing well for a half against SDSU, then playing Wheaton like studs, they lose to Emerson???  I would not want to be at their next practice. 

I still think this year promises to be more of a dogg fight than usual in the SCIAC.  CMS & PP are legit contenders.  Nobody knows with Oxy because all of their losses have come to D1 and APU, but are they legit?  Whitter is the team that I expect to send shock waves this year.  Usually they are good for a Hen upset or someone else, but this year they might make a nice run for that conference tourney.  Redlands and LV are more difficult for me to read.  Not sure what is going on there.  CLU is the most intriguing - coming in the frontrunners.  It will be surprising if they don't contend, because they almost always do. 

[OxyBob]

Can anyone else explain to me what just happened to PP against Emerson?  After playing well for a half against SDSU, then playing Wheaton like studs, they lose to Emerson???  I would not want to be at their next practice. 

One thing that stood out in the Emerson-Pomona box score was that Adam Chiamowitz, who had 16 against SDSU and 20 against Wheaton, DNP.

I never put much stock in Pomona's nonconference record. Every season I ask Coach Kat how he thinks Pomona will do, and he always tells me that they'll win 4 or 5 games in conference, but the Sagehens always seem to be right there when it counts.

OxyBob

[DIIIghetto]

Kats does seem to pull the rope-a-dope out on everyone in the SCIAC.  If Oxy was watching the game last night against Emerson, no doubt they will be lulled into a false sense of overconfidence that could be just enough for Kats to get 2 all-important SCIAC wins against the Tigers.  But where Kats is just too shortsighted in that rope-a-dope is that it guarantees him road games if they get the bid.  Then we all have to come to this board and listen to the Hen fans talk about how they get screwed in the seeding.  No, Kats screws them in the seeding by not playing against Emerson the same way he will against the Stags.  

[John Gleich]

Check out the top 25 board on the multi-region topics... there's a definitive skew in the Massey ratings, so I'm not sure how valuable a tool they are at this point.  Perhaps they'll get better... but I think most teams are done with their non-con schedules, so the conference rankings likely won't change much.

I think tools like that always need to be taken with a grain of salt... this year, it might be with a 10 pound bag.


As an aside, concerning the SCIAC's non-con schedule, I think the NWC model of non-con scheduling might do them some good.  The NWC scheduled 10 games against the WIAC (though only 1 against the MIAC, so it may be an abnormal year)... the SCIAC, none.  The MIAC had 3 SCIAC games.  I know that it's really, really tough, especially in this economy to fly a team half way across the country, but Whitworth did come to WI, and both Stevens Point and Whitewater went to the northwest. 

Thoughts?

[Titan Q]

As an aside, concerning the SCIAC's non-con schedule, I think the NWC model of non-con scheduling might do them some good.  The NWC scheduled 10 games against the WIAC (though only 1 against the MIAC, so it may be an abnormal year)... the SCIAC, none.  The MIAC had 3 SCIAC games.  I know that it's really, really tough, especially in this economy to fly a team half way across the country, but Whitworth did come to WI, and both Stevens Point and Whitewater went to the northwest. 

Thoughts?

Point, do you mean it would be good for the SCIAC to schedule more games vs the WIAC simply from the standpoint of improving in Massey?  Or do you mean from a D3 primary criteria perspective (in-region winning %, strength of schedule, etc)?

[OxyBob]

As an aside, concerning the SCIAC's non-con schedule, I think the NWC model of non-con scheduling might do them some good.  The NWC scheduled 10 games against the WIAC (though only 1 against the MIAC, so it may be an abnormal year)... the SCIAC, none.  The MIAC had 3 SCIAC games.  I know that it's really, really tough, especially in this economy to fly a team half way across the country, but Whitworth did come to WI, and both Stevens Point and Whitewater went to the northwest. 

Thoughts?

Not happening.

OxyBob