MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Hugenerd]

Besides, one of the three games doesn't count; the contest against San Diego is an exhibition. Therefore, it doesn't reduce Oxy's opportunities to play D3 teams.

I believe you are mistaken on this point.  The exhibition games against D1 opponents count for D3 teams, but dont for the D1 teams (ridiculous rule).  Notice that Oxy has 25 games total with that exhibition.  That was definitely the rule 5 years ago when I graduated, and I dont think they have changed it.

[Titan Q]

Besides, one of the three games doesn't count; the contest against San Diego is an exhibition. Therefore, it doesn't reduce Oxy's opportunities to play D3 teams.

I believe you are mistaken on this point.  The exhibition games against D1 opponents count for D3 teams, but dont for the D1 teams (ridiculous rule).  Notice that Oxy has 25 games total with that exhibition.  That was definitely the rule 5 years ago when I graduated, and I dont think they have changed it.

DI exhibition games don't count against the 25-game D3 limit.  For example, here is Manchester's schedule...

http://www.manchester.edu/athletics/basketballm/schedule.htm

(New Mexico exhibition + 25 games.)


The actual rule can be found on pages 138-139 on the attached link...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D311.pdf

[John Gleich]

Besides, one of the three games doesn't count; the contest against San Diego is an exhibition. Therefore, it doesn't reduce Oxy's opportunities to play D3 teams.

I believe you are mistaken on this point.  The exhibition games against D1 opponents count for D3 teams, but dont for the D1 teams (ridiculous rule).  Notice that Oxy has 25 games total with that exhibition.  That was definitely the rule 5 years ago when I graduated, and I dont think they have changed it.

DI exhibition games don't count against the 25-game D3 limit.  For example, here is Manchester's schedule...

http://www.manchester.edu/athletics/basketballm/schedule.htm

(New Mexico exhibition + 25 games.)


The actual rule can be found on pages 138-139 on the attached link...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D311.pdf

Was that a rule change?  I could have sworn that, at its inception, the exhibition counted against the 25 game limit.

In fact (and I could be wrong here) wasn't the 25 game limit set up the same year the exhibitions were (2004-05)?

[Titan Q]

Besides, one of the three games doesn't count; the contest against San Diego is an exhibition. Therefore, it doesn't reduce Oxy's opportunities to play D3 teams.

I believe you are mistaken on this point.  The exhibition games against D1 opponents count for D3 teams, but dont for the D1 teams (ridiculous rule).  Notice that Oxy has 25 games total with that exhibition.  That was definitely the rule 5 years ago when I graduated, and I dont think they have changed it.

DI exhibition games don't count against the 25-game D3 limit.  For example, here is Manchester's schedule...

http://www.manchester.edu/athletics/basketballm/schedule.htm

(New Mexico exhibition + 25 games.)


The actual rule can be found on pages 138-139 on the attached link...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D311.pdf

Was that a rule change?  I could have sworn that, at its inception, the exhibition counted against the 25 game limit.

In fact (and I could be wrong here) wasn't the 25 game limit set up the same year the exhibitions were (2004-05)?

Yes, the first year or two, DI exhibitions counted against the 25-game limit for D3's.  The current rule has been in effect 3-4 seasons I think.

[Hugenerd]

Then I guess there was a change I was not aware of.  I played in a D3/D1 exhibition in the 04-05 season and I remember it counting, which is what I based my comment on.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Besides, one of the three games doesn't count; the contest against San Diego is an exhibition. Therefore, it doesn't reduce Oxy's opportunities to play D3 teams.

I believe you are mistaken on this point.  The exhibition games against D1 opponents count for D3 teams, but dont for the D1 teams (ridiculous rule).  Notice that Oxy has 25 games total with that exhibition.  That was definitely the rule 5 years ago when I graduated, and I dont think they have changed it.

DI exhibition games don't count against the 25-game D3 limit.  For example, here is Manchester's schedule...

http://www.manchester.edu/athletics/basketballm/schedule.htm

(New Mexico exhibition + 25 games.)


The actual rule can be found on pages 138-139 on the attached link...

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D311.pdf

Was that a rule change?  I could have sworn that, at its inception, the exhibition counted against the 25 game limit.

In fact (and I could be wrong here) wasn't the 25 game limit set up the same year the exhibitions were (2004-05)?

Yes, the first year or two, DI exhibitions counted against the 25-game limit for D3's.  The current rule has been in effect 3-4 seasons I think.

Unless my memory is playing tricks (again? ), IWU's exhibition against U of I in 2005-06 counted against their 25 game schedule - right?

[OxyBob]

Caltech has posted their schedule.

Finally looked at CIT's schedule. Besides the Caltech players and coaches, I may be one of only a select few who has seen CIT win its last three games against Bard in 2007 (breaking Caltech's 207-game losing streak against D-III teams), Gallaudet in 2008, and Polytechnic in 2009. The Beavers were winless last season. Is there a win in the cards for Caltech this season? Best bet looks like Eastern Nazarene on Dec. 13. The Lions were only 6-19 last season.

Of course, the real goal for Caltech is to break its 301-game SCIAC losing streak dating back to 1985.

OxyBob

[Hugenerd]

Caltech has posted their schedule.

Finally looked at CIT's schedule. Besides the Caltech players and coaches, I may be one of only a select few who has seen CIT win its last three games against Bard in 2007 (breaking Caltech's 207-game losing streak against D-III teams), Gallaudet in 2008, and Polytechnic in 2009. The Beavers were winless last season. Is there a win in the cards for Caltech this season? Best best looks like Eastern Nazarene on Dec. 13. The Lions were only 6-19 last season.

Of course, the real goal for Caltech is to break its 287-game SCIAC losing streak dating back to 1985.

OxyBob

I heard Coach Eslinger has a pretty good group coming in.  With the guys he is bringing back from his recruiting class last year, they will be undoubtedly improved.  Is it enough to break through this season?  I guess we will find out soon enough.

[stag44]

2 days until NCAA practices begin!!

Any updates from other schools on newcomers/transfers/outlook for the year?

[OxyBob]

Any updates from other schools on newcomers/transfers/outlook for the year?

The excitement builds at Caltech:

Caltech Hosting First Ever Midnight Madness
http://www.gocaltech.com/information/midnightmadness

OxyBob

[OxyBob]

Any updates from other schools on newcomers/transfers/outlook for the year?

The excitement builds at Caltech:

Caltech Hosting First Ever Midnight Madness

Bill Plaschke wrote about it in the Los Angeles Times:

Caltech's Midnight Madness is just that

As the tiny clock on the back wall of the crowded little gym struck midnight, the Caltech men's and women's basketball teams raced onto the floor to cheering students and a blaring pep band.
...

For most other colleges, Midnight Madness is simply the title of the celebration surrounding the first official day of basketball practice. For Caltech, the home of this country's smartest kids and worst basketball teams, it is a literal description.

On Thursday at the Braun Gym, in the school's first attempt to copy the widespread tradition, it was pure madness.

A men's team that has not won a conference game in 25 years — it is 0-297 301* during that time — ran onto the floor accompanied by one cheerleader, the school's only cheerleader, and only on nights when he doesn't have a lot of homework. The overworked guy wore spiked orange hair, orange short-shorts, striped orange socks and an exhausted smile.
...

Madness was 531 kids, more than half the students, showing up to cheer for two teams that couldn't entertain them with the traditional dunk contest.
...

Madness was a free-throw shooting contest among students who threw up enough bricks to build a new campus library. One contestant shot three consecutive air balls. Another made free-throw hook shots on the run. Every rare success was met with a standing ovation. One of the winners made one.
...

Madness, finally, was a half-court shooting contest in which the winner received an autographed basketball with the signatures of five Nobel Prize winners, all of whom teach at Caltech. It could only happen here. Fittingly, while they struggled to make free throws, one of the students sank the Nobel shot.
...

But things are looking up. The women won seven games last year and the men, while coming off an 0-25 season, won a game two years ago against Polytech[nic] Institute of [New] York University and actually believe their 25-year conference drought is about to end.
...

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-caltech-20101016,0,7937895.column

OxyBob

*fixed

[dahlby]

If anyone can "FIGURE" a way to stop the drought, it would be Cal Tech.

I hope they can do it!

[CrashDavisD3]

Chapman applies for admission to SCIAC

Will SCIAC vote Chapman In or out ?

OXYBOB will vote NO....

Crash votes YES  

The shrinking number of independent teams has made this a necessity. Cal State East Bay, Menlo, La Sierra all went to NAIA. University of Dallas to join SCAC in 2012.

http://static.psbin.com/j/q/y1lynr7rkwoj53/CU_Membership_App_Release_10.25.10.pdf

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/information/releases/1026

[stag44]

Here's my take on the Stags this year:

CMS - The Stags return 2-time defending POY Chris Blees and will be looking to 3-peat. The road could be rocky at the outset as the Stags lost a majority of their backcourt minutes in Faught Bagby and Toney. To compound this, they have a BRUTAL non-conference schedule - they open @APU (#1 NAIA1) and @Concordia (#5 NAIA1, and just go Taylor King as a transfer). They also get a stiff test at the Lopata Classic, opening with Franklin and Marshall (#8 D3) with a possible matchup with Wash U. Finally, they get another tough test with Whitworth coming to visit Ducey Gym, in a matchup at the end of fall semester at CMS. At best, I see a 9-2 non-conference with the Stags opening some eyes and really getting the SCIAC on the map this year. If things go sour though, the Stags could be 3-8 going into the SCIAC, somthing that this group of players hasn't dealt with before. In the past though, CMS regularly played a tough non-conference and would enter SCAIC play .500 and below only to finish 10-4, 11-3 in conference.
I'll be interested to see the Stags and how the react to this tough start of season and then how they develop come SCIAC time. With Blees, Lacey and Anderson returning in the front-court, the Stags should be a load on the block and defensively. The key, though, will be guard development and composure from their backcourt. They return Shane Davis who played huge in the first CMS-Chapman game filling in for an injured Toney. The rest of the backcourt is new and it will be interesting to see how the develop/mesh. I expect Blees to impress (even more than he has) and really show an improved, polished game.


As for the rest of conference:

Don't have much color for the rest of the league, but just some thoughts.

Oxy has to be CMS's major competition this year. CLU will be competitive with Grimm, Van Klaveren and Fisher returning (losing Knudsen hurts alot). Whittier and ULV as usual are crapshoots with talent - they will surprise teams and win 2 or 3 games you wouldn't expect them to. Redlands is an enigma that should finish right around 7-7.

[CrashDavisD3]

2010-2011 Chapman vs SCIAC
Nov. 16    La Verne          
Nov. 20    at Redlands          
Dec. 8     at La Verne          
Dec. 11    Pomona-Pitzer          
Dec. 21    Whittier          
Dec. 29    at Claremont-M-S      
Jan. 5      at Cal Lutheran

Where's OXY ?? Maybe in Fall 2011