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Chapman breaks it open 49-33, 7 min left

This one's over. See you Panther folk in Spokane

[cmsme]

   62-38     Well, I feel for Redlands.  And I am very interested in what the basketball experts have to say about the game. 
Compared to last Saturday night when Redlands played CMS, the ball just didn't want to drop in.  It would circle 3 times and then just fly out. 
Redland's three point shooting was 15% against Chapman versus 50% against CMS.  And you can say it was the Chapman defense, but Redland's free throw shooting was 46% against Chapman and 80% against CMS.
Redlands and the SCIAC are much better than last night, but I guess we will have to wait until next year to convince anyone.
Dahlby--I am rooting for CHAPMAN   

[oldchap]

 62-38    Well, I feel for Redlands.  And I am very interested in what the basketball experts have to say about the game.  
Compared to last Saturday night when Redlands played CMS, the ball just didn't want to drop in.  It would circle 3 times and then just fly out.  
Redland's three point shooting was 15% against Chapman versus 50% against CMS.  And you can say it was the Chapman defense, but Redland's free throw shooting was 46% against Chapman and 80% against CMS.
Redlands and the SCIAC are much better than last night, but I guess we will have to wait until next year to convince anyone.
Dahlby--I am rooting for CHAPMAN  

It's very simple. Chapman this year is an even better team than last year. And I'm not talking necessarily about basketball skills and physical abilities, although they have plenty of that, I'm talking about experience and the intense will to win and go far into the playoffs.

I was at the game yesterday and I saw that in the second half, I could tell that the will, determination, focus and hustle was with Chapman. Yes, you're right: SCIAC is much better than that. But mentally, this Chapman team is as tough as a nails and it comes from two key players: Riley and Ramme. They are both true leaders on the court and give the team its cohesion and character.

It's very unfortunate that they will have to play the number one team in the next round, although I can tell you this. From the words of one of the players who was in Spokane last year: "this year, we know what to expect; it's all business and we're going there to win." The odds are obviously stacked against Chapman, but they're going to be the toughest opposition Whitworth has faced this season and that will be a true test of how good Witworth really is....or are they a collossus with feet of clay?

By the way, cmsme, thank you for the words of encouragements! Chapman very much feels part of the SCIAC family....

[dahlby]

cmsme:

Thanks for the support, the Panthers are going to need all the help they can get. But, you never know what can happen.

Regarding last night's Redlands/Chapman game, it was very, very ragged for the first 30 minutes or so. Both teams turned the ball over, took bad shots, didn't work the clock, etc.
Yes, CU's defense forced several turnovers, but I also thought, from a lot of expressions on the players' faces that there was a lot of nervous tension out there. The refs allowed the players to play and determiine the outcome, as the game was one of the most physical I have seen in person for several years. (It will be good preparation for Chapman for Saturday night).
Redlands created opportunities last night, but the ball just wouldn't fall for them in the second half. They took themself out of the game somewhat with missed free throws.

The last ten minutes or so Chapman was a different team, dominating and capitalizing on Redlands' miscues, and making several layups and close fast break points.

I was impressed with the fact that Chapman first round tourney games should be
available by streaming video tonight via:    chapmanathletics.com    .

[RFB]

Redlands has been a perennial 5-6 place team in the SCIAC for decades. Coach Ducey has a SCIAC conference co-championship and a playoff appearance in only his second year at the helm.

Frankly, I was not expecting Redlands to win last night but the long term growth and potential for the hoops program is really bright. Give Ducey a few more years and some better recruits and they could be well positioned for multiple SCIAC titles and some wins in the postseason.

Congrats to Chapman on the win and good luck against those dirty, stinkin Rats!

[cmsme]

anyone watch the Chapman / Whitworth game?

[dahlby]

cmsme:

Yes I did,  on a student's lap top during  the George Fox/La. College game over at Chapman on Saturday night, but can't talk about it.*

*OxyBob's rule #4567, section 2, paragraph 3, line 4, "Thou shalt not talk about Chapman on the SCIAC board. And, if they are playing a SCIAC team, one must refer to them as that "Wanna be SCIAC member"."

But, oldchap was there in person, and I am sure that he will soon do a post.

EDIT: cmsme, I tried e mailing you but your address is wrong. Please update by return email.

[OxyBob]

anyone watch the Chapman / Whitworth game?

Chapman never led. Mike Taylor made a 3-pointer at 15:15 to give Whitworth a 9-3 lead. After that Chapman was never in a position to tie or take the lead. Whitworth led 40-27 at the half. After David Riley hit a 3-ball and Taylor made a layup to start the 2nd half, it was 45-27 at 19:25 and game over.

OxyBob

[dahlby]

OxyBob:

Please remember that this is the SCIAC board! :-)

[cmsme]

Two years ago I did not understand why people were crying about the SCIAC reputation among the rest of the D3--now I do.
Why we loose so badly?   i look at that Top 25 D3 list (which we are never on) and think it is bogus.  I would think Claremont could beat half those teams.  But then, in the playoffs, we get stomped.
I am not a basketball expert, but I thought Redlands and Chapman looked good. 
Maybe next year.

[oldchap]

I will post a complete report soon. In the meantime, let me say this: there is a good reason why Whitworth is ranked #1 and they demonstrated it last Saturday. Chapman fully deserved to be in the playoffs, but although being ranked (12th in d3hoops and 4th regional according to the NCAA), they are nowhere near as good as the Pirates. Nevertheless, Chapman is very proud of what they accomplished this season and if this tournament was properly seeded like in D1, I bet they would have reached the round of 16 or perhaps the round of 8. As for the SCIAC, they have had much better years (Oxy reaching the elite 8) but in any case, I think it would become a more competitive Conference if it accepted Chapman into it!!

[dahlby]

For those who think Chapman has a weak schedule now:

"With 25 wins this season, the Panthers matched the 1935-36 team for the most wins in school history. A few of the Panthers' wins in 1935-36..the Beverly Hills All-Stars, Clifton Cafeteria, La Cerne Creamery and the Surveyor's Red Devils."

Quoted from Chapman University Press Release of 3/8/11 which can be found at :
chapmanathletics.com

[OxyBob]

For those who think Chapman has a weak schedule now

Aside from 27-1 Whitworth, the combined record of the D-III teams Chapman played this season was 117-167.

OxyBob

[dahlby]

OxyBob:
It took you longer to reply to that softball lob than I thought it would take you to come back with a slammer. The posting was meant to be humerous. I cracked up when I got the SID update in my email. SID's do have a sense of humor after all.

Yes, it is too bad the SCIAC didn't win more non-conference games, the CU SOS would have been better. :-)

[oldchap]

For those who think Chapman has a weak schedule now

Aside from 27-1 Whitworth, the combined record of the D-III teams Chapman played this season was 117-167.

OxyBob

According to the new NCAA calculations, Chapman's strength of schedule this year was better than that of Whitworth . So it doesn't matter how you want to manipulate the numbers to make them look bad for Chapman.

Here is the ranking of all teams that made the post season, plucked right out of a previous post:

1. UW-River Falls, C: .585
2. Rhode Island, A: .576
3. Middlebury, A: .573
4. Williams, C: .558
5. Wittenberg, C: .552
6. Randolph-Macon, A: .548
7. Ithaca, C: .547
8. Illinois Wesleyan, C: .543
9. Hanover, C: .542
10. UW-Stevens Point, A: .540
11. Elms, A: .534
12. Western Conn, C: .531
13. New Jersey City, A: .530
14. Augustana, A: .527
15. Chapman, B: .525
16. Delware Valley, A: .525
17. St. Thomas, A: .523
18. Bethany, A: .519
19. Bridgewater St, A: .519
20. Skidmore, A: .517
21. WPI, C: .516
22. McMurry, A: .515
23. Buffalo St, A: .510
24. Salve Regina, A: .510
25. Mary Hardin-Baylor, C: .508
26. Oswego St, C: .507
27. Ramapo, C: .507
28. Rochester, A: .507
29. Va Wesleyan, C: .506
30. Becker, C: .505
31. Cabrini, A: .504
32. Gwynedd-Mercy, C: .502
33. Concordia (WI), C: .501
34. Hartrick, A: .501
35. Centre, A: .496
36. Whitworth, A: .496
37. Hope, A: .492
38. MIT, A: .492
39. Alvernia, A: .488
40. Luther, A: .487
41. Manchester, A: .487
42. NC Wesleyan, A: .486
43. Purchase, A: .486
44. Wooster, A: .486
45. Texas-Dallas, C: .485
46. Johnson & Wales, A: .482
47. Penn St-Behrend, C: .481
48. St. Mary's (Md), A: .479
49. Wells, A: .471
50. Benedictine, A: .471
51. La Roche, A: .466
52. Amherst, C: .464
53. Franklin & Marshall, A: .463
54. Medgar Evers, A: .463
55. St. Norbert, A: .462
56. Marietta, A: .456
57. Scranton, A: .451
58. Redlands, A: .433
59. Northwestern, A: .430
60. Webster, A: .430
61. Husson, A: .421