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[stag44]

PP wins 51-50 - controversial/great finish

Stags up 1 with 30 seconds to go - Kyle McAndrews scores to put PP up

Stags come down, no timeout, Pinson hits a 3 with 22 seconds to go

In a mayhem on the other side, McAndrews puts up a desperation 3 with .4 seconds to go and is fouled.

Makes all 3 fts, Stags are unable to get a shot for the win

[CMSfan]

and is fouled.

So much I could say about that...

Makes all 3 fts

Very clutch, props to McAndrews.  It was so loud and he stayed focused and hit the shots.  Very impressive.

I want to take solace in the fact that the Stags are still SCIAC champs and will have homecourt throughout the SCIAC tournament, but any loss to P-P stings and I'm not quite ready to look ahead tonight.  Tomorrow is a new day.

Actually, forget it.  Looking ahead, CMS is too good to lose to P-P twice in a row at home.  I really hope they get a chance to lay a beatdown on the Hens Saturday night.

[OxyBob]

PP wins 51-50

Not surprised. Good win for the Sagehens to clinch the No. 2 SCIAC tournament seed. Unhelpful loss for the Stags, who are trying to climb over Whitworth in the regional rankings. The No. 1 seed Pirates (22-3, 15-1 NWC) are at home tomorrow night to face No. 4 Lewis & Clark (14-11, 9-7) in the first round of the NWC tournament. The winner of that game plays on Saturday for the NWC AQ against the winner of the game between No. 3 seed Whitman (18-7, 11-5) and No. 2 Puget Sound (19-6, 11-5).

SCIAC tournament matchups:

Friday, Feb. 24, 7:30 p.m.
No. 4 Redlands (13-12, 8-6) @ No. 1 Claremont (23-2, 12-2)
No. 3 Whittier (18-7, 10-4) @ No. 2 Pomona (15-9, 10-4)

Saturday, Feb. 25, 7:30 p.m.
Winners of Friday's games at highest remaining seed
Winner gets the SCIAC AQ to the NCAA tournament

OxyBob

[Hoopsallthetime]

Last nights game taught me one thing...and it should be a reminder to every team that will be playing this weekend. Never leave a game in an officials hands, because it can cost you. Last nights game was evident of that. I went back last night and watched the game online and realized that the bald schmuck (official) was way over his head being involved in this type of game. When you watch the video you can see that Penson did not make contact with the PP kid at the end of the game. Why bail out a fading away shot that was not even close to going in. It just shows that you have to put teams away and not allow an (official) especially that "putz" to make a crappy call and decide the outcome of the game. I don't want to take away from the PP kids because they played hard and made plays when they had too, but that final call had to have made Scali lose his sleep last night.

The Stags will regroup I'm sure and the CMS coaches will be hungry to end this season the way it started. #Winning!!!  Good luck Stags and if we get the chance to play those hens again...let's not leave it in the hands of the officials.

For the PP administrators and athletic director....You should probably send out an email or letter to all of your students soon. They were a complete embarrassment to your schools. I have been involved in the cross-street rivalry for last 6 years, and last nights display of sportsmanship and bad language should be left in the confines of their dorm rooms. As a president or administrator at PP I would be disgusted and embarrased to have our students speak with that kind of volgur language. There were a ton of young kids at the game and PP clearly has no class. It's great to show school pride, but there is a level in which school pride becomes disgusting and vulger. Please Clean it up!!!

[OxyBob]

It's great to show school pride, but there is a level in which school pride becomes disgusting and vulger. Please Clean it up!!!

A couple of years ago I was at a Claremont-Oxy game in Ducey. A large contingent of Oxy students came to the game and cheered loudly for the Tigers. In particular, they chanted "Let's Go Tigers!" The CMS students responded with "F**k the Tigers!"

Spare me your feigned outrage.

As for beefing about the referee (who you called a schmuck and a putz -- classy!), wah wah wah wah wah.

Crybaby.

OxyBob

[Hoopsallthetime]

It's great to show school pride, but there is a level in which school pride becomes disgusting and vulger. Please Clean it up!!!

A couple of years ago I was at a Claremont-Oxy game in Ducey. A large contingent of Oxy students came to the game and cheered loudly for the Tigers. In particular, they chanted "Let's Go Tigers!" The CMS students responded with "F**k the Tigers!"

Spare me your feigned outrage.

As for beefing about the referee (who you called a schmuck and a putz -- classy!), wah wah wah wah wah.

Crybaby.

OxyBob

I will give you that Bob. I remember that game, and I have to say I was embarrassed then as I am now for the kids behavior. But the language that came out last in regards to men's and women's private parts, among a handful of other vulgarous things are over the line. I'm not saying "F*&$ the Tigers is okay, but that much better than what I heard last night. That's all I am saying. How would you like your child or grandchild hearing language like that at a basketball game. So if you want to take what I had to say as whining than maybe you should take your grandchild to the next CMS-PP game is see how you would feel afterwards. Talk is CHEAP!!!!

As for the referee that I attacked earlier with my "putz" (a person who lacks good judgment) reference, I am not going to apologize for that. He wasn't the reason for them losing the game last night, but he sure had a big part in it. I'm sure in the old days if "conner whitman and Co. had lost to CMS with a botched call like that you wouldn't be to happy about it either. As a former college basketball player, you never want a game to end in an officials hands. You work to hard to lose a game in that fashion. That's all I am saying!

You can call me a crybaby all you want bob, at least my team finishes in the top 4 every year and wins SCIAC championships. No excuse for losing, just hate losing that way and especially to Pomona!

[stag44]

Regardless of the officiating, hats off to both teams. They played a hotly contested game with no team leading by more than 6. Kyle McAndrews was clutch and really played extremely well throughout the whole game. Lots of swagger for a frosh in this big game.

In another totally interesting note, Pinson was involved in all the big plays at the end of this game. When McAndrews drove down the lane for the layup to put PP up 48-47, Pinson was involved with the split and hand off. Then coming down the court he knocked down the big 3 to put them up 3. And then he was a part of the controversial call at the end.

Regardless of how it went down, I think it further emphasizes the fact that in end of game situations, stay on your feet and play defense with your hands up. The more drastic movements that are made, the higher probability a ref will make a call, whether correct or not.

Most importantly though, CMS should have never let it get to this. They went away from their All-American and bread and butter, Chris Blees, too often. In a game where he was clearly dialed in and making all his layups, PP was playing soft defense and not coming on aggressive doubles, the Stags did not realize that everytime Blees caught in the short corner or high post, they were getting layups, fouls or WIDE open 3s. Too often they were afraid to probe the middle of the paint with the pass or bounce, rather just passively passing it around the shell of the 2-3 zone. There were plenty of gaps in the 2-3 to attack the the paint and cause all sorts of problems. In my opinion Blees and Maciera should have had a touch on the block every time down. This would have mutated the zone, caused help and recover situations and most importantly forced Kats to move away from the zone. Against their man, CMS was abusing their guards with their motion. Gaffney drew 3 fouls by simply coming off a screen hard. Blees and Mivshek were slicing to the key. If they watch the film and are fortunate enough to get another shot at PP, they should realize this. They other area they need to look at is pushing the ball in transition. If they can get them in cross matches and not allow the 23 to set, they will be lethal.

[WoostAr]

Watched Caltech at Redlands last night.

Blowout.

On to the story of the night: Mychal Estrada put on a show!!

Contested threes were going in...no one could guard him...the shots he missed hit every side of the rim.  Very impressive.  48% from 3 on the year and fewer than 1 turnover a game....good stuff.

[Hoopsallthetime]

Stag44 is exactly right...they went away from Blees towards the end. Blees was doing everything he could to provide points on the offensive end. I'm sure Scali and Levi will have the boys ready for this weekend because a loss in the tournament may not get them in.

Oxybob- what was oxy ranked the year they got an at large bid after CMS one the NCAA bid in 2005. I couldn't remember what they were ranked but I do remember OXY getting the home game against the Stags even though they didn't even win there own conference. I know we have a SCIAC tournament now, but say the Stags lose in the championship game to either Whittier or Pomona...do the Stags get a first round matchup (saying they get in the tourney) at home against the NCAA qualifier (PP or Whittier) or do all head up North to Washington together?
If I remember right, Oxy wasn't ranked as high as 11th were they?

[(509)Rat]

Without a Pool C team out of SoCal or a second deserving SCIAC/NWC team, and assuming we get chalk (Whit and CMS win conference tournaments) I think we get another scenario like 06-07. Whitworth was sent to a pod @ Wash in St Louis, and Oxy was sent to a pod @ Mississippi College. In this case, both teams probably deserve to host 1st round games but $$$ will prevent that from happening IMO.

In 08, Oxy and PP played in the first round giving Whitworth a first round bye. Then Whitworth was sent to a pod @ Hope, losing to Wheaton in the 3rd round.

In 09 the NWC had 2 ranked teams in UPS and Whitworth and UPS (the higher ranked team) got a 4 team pod. CMS traveled up to Tacoma and lost to Whitworth in the first round.

2010, Whitworth got Chapman after a first round bye after Chapman beat the SCIAC champ in round 1.

2011, Another bye for Whitworth after another Chapman v SCIAC 1st round matchup.

The NCAA got creative with the brackets last year, if memory serves me right, so maybe we could see a sectional in Spokane. Of course that would require flights for 3 teams on the NCAA's dime. But I wouldn't hold my breath, waiting for a playoff game @ CMS...It's all part of being WAY out West unfortunately

[OxyBob]

what was oxy ranked the year they got an at large bid after CMS one the NCAA bid in 2005.
...
If I remember right, Oxy wasn't ranked as high as 11th were they?

Oxy was ranked 12th during that season.

Without a Pool C team out of SoCal or a second deserving SCIAC/NWC team, and assuming we get chalk (Whit and CMS win conference tournaments) I think we get another scenario like 06-07. Whitworth was sent to a pod @ Wash in St Louis, and Oxy was sent to a pod @ Mississippi College. In this case, both teams probably deserve to host 1st round games but $$$ will prevent that from happening IMO.

Assuming Claremont and Whitworth win their tournaments, it'll probably be CMS @ WW in Round One.

OxyBob

[BBallJunkie81]

Great game last night...very entertaining!  I didn't get a great look at the Pinson foul on McAndrews, but I'll take Hoopsallthetime word that reviewing it on film revealed Pinson didn't touch him.  It is a shame when a game is decided on a bad last second call.  I will also agree with Hoopsallthetime  that the PP students went overboard (although I didn't hear some of the more outrageous things Hoopsallthetime heard). 

Where I differ from Hoopsallthetime is that prior to that last second call, it certainly seemed to me CMS was getting the benefit of the calls that night.  IMO, had the game been called evenly, PP would have had a 6-8 point lead and the last second heroics would not have been necessary. 

I am hoping Whittier and Redlands don't spoil the party and we get a rematch Saturday night.  What an atmosphere!

[Hoopsallthetime]

Great game last night...very entertaining!  I didn't get a great look at the Pinson foul on McAndrews, but I'll take Hoopsallthetime word that reviewing it on film revealed Pinson didn't touch him.  It is a shame when a game is decided on a bad last second call.  I will also agree with Hoopsallthetime  that the PP students went overboard (although I didn't hear some of the more outrageous things Hoopsallthetime heard). 

Where I differ from Hoopsallthetime is that prior to that last second call, it certainly seemed to me CMS was getting the benefit of the calls that night.  IMO, had the game been called evenly, PP would have had a 6-8 point lead and the last second heroics would not have been necessary. 

I am hoping Whittier and Redlands don't spoil the party and we get a rematch Saturday night.  What an atmosphere!

I sat behind the CMS bench and underneath the PP students, so maybe I heard a couple of vulgorous things that maybe the general public didn't hear because of the noise in the gym. Overall the chants were out of line. Enough said about that.

As for the foul count...in the first half PP only committed 2 fouls (the first foul by Jack Klukas at teh 18:13 mark and the second by John Weiss with 1:53 remaining in the second half) 1st foul in the second half I believe came at the 14 minute mark with both teams playing more physical. The foul count at the end of the game was 13-9 with PP committing 7 of there 9 fouls in the second half. It was a physical game and CMS fans were yelling about the foul count from the very beginning...and i went back and looked at the tape again and the official in question called 5 fouls on CMS and 1 on PP (which just happened to be the easiest over the back call that i have seen). Just saying!!!! Believe me...CMS was not getting the benefit of the calls...they were just more physical going to the basket with created more contact. I thought the game was officiated for the most part very evenly throughout the game...it just took one knucklehead to determine the game at the end.

Well enough about the game that was...the point is CMS has to take it out of everyone else's hand and take care of business this weekend. I see them beating Redlands easily on Friday night and playing Whittier Sat night at Ducey. I just don't see PP beating Whittier three times this year...

Any thoughts?

[West Coast Bias]

There is NO WAY you can see if he got fouled from the tape.  The angle of the camera in the CMS gym is in the 2nd deck and the shot happened right in front of the PP bench.  So the camera is 30 feet away, with the entire PP bench standing.  And unless our friend Hoopsallthetime is a CMS assistant, he has only seen the web stream of the replay.  I have seen many a web stream, and last I checked CMS isn't broadcasting in HD.  Meanwhile the official who made the call is standing there 5 feet from the play.  The official saw a foul and called it.  He didn't make it up.  Contrary to your conspiracy theories, the officials don't care who wins.  They just call what they see.  Call me crazy. 

I am shocked to hear a CMS fan say that he does not believe that CMS got the benefit of the calls!  Meanwhile BballJunkie seemed to think CMS did have the game called their way.  Sounds to me like it was probably called pretty evenly.

The only certainties in life are death, taxes, and the losing team crying about the officials!

Hoopsallthetime...you are really doing a disservice to the regular CMS posters like Stag44 and CMSfan.  They cheer unabashedly for their team, show their support, but they don't come on here and slam officials and other teams student bodies.  No doubt the PP fans said some vulgar things, but if you think the CMS fans are any different you are completely delusional.  Its an intense college basketball rivalry.  With intoxicated college students.  There are some that say some crude things.  AT EVERY SCHOOL.  Take your sour grapes somewhere else.

I watched on the webcast and could hear almost all of the PP fans chants.  You are probably referring to these horribly offensive chats.

"CAL STATE CLAREMONT!"

And when the CMS fans chanted "SCOREBOARD!"  They were met with a rousing "WHATS YOUR REAL SCORE?" from the PP side.



Oh the vulgarity!

[OxyBob]

Its an intense college basketball rivalry.  With intoxicated college students.  There are some that say some crude things.  AT EVERY SCHOOL.

The most outrageous thing I've heard an intoxicated SCIAC student yell at an opposing player came from the mouth of a Caltech fan.

Now everyone sit quietly with your hands neatly folded in your laps.

I see them beating Redlands easily on Friday night and playing Whittier Sat night at Ducey. I just don't see PP beating Whittier three times this year...

Any thoughts?

01/29/2011  Redlands 65 Claremont 55
02/16/2011  Redlands 77 Claremont 69
02/26/2011  Redlands 63 Claremont 54

See, it can be done.

OxyBob