MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[WoostAr]

While I'd love to see CMS avail themselves well against St. Thomas, I don't see it in the cards.  A good friend of mine is a CMS grad (years ago), so I watched good portions of several of their games this year.  The level, and style, of play out there just seems different.  Almost intramuralish.  Basketball in the midwest has gotten very physical (not that I like that, but that's the way it is), and CMS will have to adjust to that, quickly, or they're going to be in real trouble.

I hope every team CMS plays thinks of them as an intramural team.

West Coast basketball has gone soft I guess??...no physicality out here!!

[badgerwarhawk]

I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't. 

[WoostAr]

That's an interesting point...I would guess it would be a WIAC ref since it's at a WIAC school.

CMS has played, and beaten, several bruising teams this year including St. Olaf (one of the MIAC teams) and 3 gsac schools (NAIA D1).  NOw granted this was all earlier in the year, but I find it hard to believe that their physicality will be that far behind the MIAC or WIAC.

[stag44]

In the SCIAC, CMS is traditionally one of the more physical teams.

In the past playing against GSAC, NWC, MIAC or UAA teams, there were very few times it felt like the opposition was more physical than us. Granted it changes from year to year, but the Stags pride themselves on being physical and gritty

[AO]

The tommies are more pesky than physical with one exception, Josh Pella.   Saturday, the kid could have been called for a technical foul for abusing his teammates in celebration after he managed to convert an and-1.

[OxyBob]

CMS ... Almost intramuralish.

Easily one of the dumbest things ever written on this board.

OxyBob

[Gray Fox]

I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.

In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.

[WoostAr]

CMS ... Almost intramuralish.

Easily one of the dumbest things ever written on this board.

OxyBob

Agreed....Too bad it was a Wooster fan saying it.

[DoubleDomer]

All of that must make you feel vastly superior, DD.

"I know not seems," Badgerwarhawk.  And only to you.

[Gregory Sager]

You've forgotten to mention our Friday night fish fry, Ypsi.  You can't come to Wisconsin and skip a Friday night fish fry.   

Hear, hear!

[Gregory Sager]

I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.

In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.

Same holds true in basketball, Urocyon cinereoargenteus. There will be no UMAC or WIAC refs doing the Northwestern @ UWW game, and no MIAC or SCIAC refs doing the CMS vs. St. Thomas game.

A safe guess is that the refs in the Williams Center this weekend will be from the Halas side of the Cheddar Curtain; there's a good chance that it'll be a CCIW crew or maybe even some downstaters who work the SLIAC. An appearance by IIAC zebras might also be in the cards this weekend in Whitewater. Or they might import a crew from the other side of the lake, since there won't be any MIAA refs doing games at DeVos this weekend, either.

[larry_u]

I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.

In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.

They will be.  There are plenty of leagues in the area like the MWC, NATHCON, CCIW etc that are an easy close drive to Whitewater.  At St. Thomas last season refs were from the WIAC And the IIAC so its not hard in the midwest to find non-biased referees.  However, like said above all of the above leagues seem to mirror the WIAC and MIAC and are definitely more physical then several other conferences...

[Mr. Ypsi]

I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.

In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.

They will be.  There are plenty of leagues in the area like the MWC, NATHCON, CCIW etc that are an easy close drive to Whitewater.  At St. Thomas last season refs were from the WIAC And the IIAC so its not hard in the midwest to find non-biased referees.  However, like said above all of the above leagues seem to mirror the WIAC and MIAC and are definitely more physical then several other conferences...

Which raises an interesting question: when the NWC hosts the SCIAC in the playoffs (or, someday, the reverse) does the NCAA fly in refs from Texas or Minnesota, or something?

[Gregory Sager]

I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.

In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.

They will be.  There are plenty of leagues in the area like the MWC, NATHCON, CCIW etc that are an easy close drive to Whitewater.  At St. Thomas last season refs were from the WIAC And the IIAC so its not hard in the midwest to find non-biased referees.  However, like said above all of the above leagues seem to mirror the WIAC and MIAC and are definitely more physical then several other conferences...

Which raises an interesting question: when the NWC hosts the SCIAC in the playoffs (or, someday, the reverse) does the NCAA fly in refs from Texas or Minnesota, or something?

No. They obviously make exceptions for geographic isolates such as the SCIAC, NWC, and ASC. Last season's first-round game between Chapman and Redlands was reffed by three guys who work the SCIAC: Tom Nally, Ralph Schemel, and David Dangleis. (I would imagine that they do Chapman games, too.)

Remember, this is the D3 tourney we're talking about. The NCAA isn't going to spend any more money on this than it has to, and that includes putting referees on planes to officiate games in other parts of the country that already have plenty of refs that live within driving distance of the gym.

[CalCat]

I have no idea how physical CMS or teams from the SCIAC are but MIAC and WIAC teams are on the physical side.  Depending on where the officials come from that may be an advantage.  If they're unaccustomed to the physical style of MIAC or WIAC teams that may work to the advantage of the less physical team.  If they've worked either of those leagues it generally doesn't.

In football playoffs, the officials come from a neutral league.  I assume the same in basketball, but that may be harder to achieve.

Same holds true in basketball, Urocyon cinereoargenteus. There will be no UMAC or WIAC refs doing the Northwestern @ UWW game, and no MIAC or SCIAC refs doing the CMS vs. St. Thomas game.

A safe guess is that the refs in the Williams Center this weekend will be from the Halas side of the Cheddar Curtain; there's a good chance that it'll be a CCIW crew or maybe even some downstaters who work the SLIAC. An appearance by IIAC zebras might also be in the cards this weekend in Whitewater. Or they might import a crew from the other side of the lake, since there won't be any MIAA refs doing games at DeVos this weekend, either.

G.S. I think the real question the CMS guys want answered is...will any be "Bald Schmuck Putz" (officals)