MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[RFB]

Redlands basketball stinks like usual. I thought Coach Ducey could get it turned around much quicker in his second year but I guess the rebuilding process continues.

[OxyBob]

Redlands basketball stinks like usual. I thought Coach Ducey could get it turned around much quicker in his second year but I guess the rebuilding process continues.

UR is off to a slow start. However, the Bulldogs have lost to undefeated NYU, D-II Clarion, and solid Carthage and Chapman teams, no slouches any of them. (I cannot and will not try to explain UR's loss to Santa Cruz at home.) After tonight's game against West Coast Baptist, Redlands doesn't play until December 30 when they have a rematch with Chapman in Currier, followed by a rematch at La Sierra on December 31. The Bulldogs have a tough nonconference road game at Biola on January 3 before opening the SCIAC season at home against Claremont on January 10.

Speaking of Claremont, the Stags appear in the "Others Receiving Votes" category in this week's D3hoops Top 25. Nice to see some crumbs tossed the SCIAC's way.

OxyBob

[nwhoops1903]

Speaking of Claremont, the Stags appear in the "Others Receiving Votes" category in this week's D3hoops Top 25. Nice to see some crumbs tossed the SCIAC's way.

OxyBob

I am very surprised that they didn't get more than crumbs, but they have many close wins to schools with SOME bad losses and the loss to Chapman doesn't help.  SCIAC doesn't do a preseason coaches poll?

[OxyBob]

SCIAC doesn't do a preseason coaches poll?

Not that I know of. If the SCIAC did do a preseason coaches' poll then they'd no doubt get around to publishing it after the season was over, or not reveal it at all for fear of generating fan interest.

OxyBob

[nwhoops1903]

SCIAC doesn't do a preseason coaches poll?

Not that I know of. If the SCIAC did do a preseason coaches' poll then they'd no doubt get around to publishing it after the season was over, or not reveal it at all for fear of generating fan interest.

OxyBob

ROFL Bob.  Yea, that might be too dangerous.  Might even lead to smiling. 

Had there been one of this nuisance polls, would Claremont have been on top or near the top?

[OxyBob]

Had there been one of this nuisance polls, would Claremont have been on top or near the top?

Claremont and Cal Lutheran are the top SCIAC teams. Right now Oxy, Pomona, Whittier, La Verne and Redlands are a muddled mass behind them, and then there's Caltech.

Last night Redlands beat West Coast Baptist 71-59. Matt Dietrich had 23 for the Bulldogs. WCB led 53-52 with 8 minutes to go, but UR quickly outscored the Eagles 11-2 in the next 1:40 and went on to victory. Redlands is 3-5; West Coast Baptist is 1-8.

No games tonight. Cal Lutheran is at La Sierra tomorrow night.

OxyBob

[nwhoops1903]

It appears as though every SCIAC team will face Chapman except Cal Lutheran.  A good measure perhaps.

Chapman has beaten both Claremont and Redlands (SCIAC) and lost to Whitworth and Whitman (NWC).  Yet Claremont beat my Whitworth Pirates and Whitman at Redlands.   Non conference games in December really help clear things up for the "Far" West power rankings!!

[Hoopsallthetime]

It appears as though every SCIAC team will face Chapman except Cal Lutheran.  A good measure perhaps.

Chapman has beaten both Claremont and Redlands (SCIAC) and lost to Whitworth and Whitman (NWC).  Yet Claremont beat my Whitworth Pirates and Whitman at Redlands.   Non conference games in December really help clear things up for the "Far" West power rankings!!

Its been a while since I have been on here, so I will try not to ruffle any feathers in doing so. I want to congratulate the CMS Stags for taking home the title in the Lee Fulmer Championship by beating two good teams in Whitman and Whitworth Colleges. I also want to congratulate Whitman college for the undeniable lack of sportsmanship after their loss to the stags Saturday night. Not only does the team show no class to the stags by going into there locker room and not accepting there trophy, but also a lack of respect to Redlands University for hosting the tournament. I didn't realize there were so many sore losers up there in the Northwest. The coach from Whitman should be embarrased by his actions.
As for the loss to Chapman as the Northwest have so deligently reminded me of. It was the first game of the season for the Stags, and with over 7 new faces on the team, it was bound to be rocky. The Stags played hard but in the end, there was just too many new faces on the team to give a better product on the floor. I am looking forward to seeing how many SCIAC teams fall to this very athletic Chapman team. They had a very bad showing at the Redlands Tournament. Losing two of their best players inside to injuries didn't help them too much either.

I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday, and go get it STAGS on Saturday night.

CMS vs. La Sierra    Saturday Night at 7:00 pm

[OxyBob]

I also want to congratulate Whitman college for the undeniable lack of sportsmanship after their loss to the stags Saturday night. Not only does the team show no class to the stags by going into there locker room and not accepting there trophy, but also a lack of respect to Redlands University for hosting the tournament. I didn't realize there were so many sore losers up there in the Northwest. The coach from Whitman should be embarrased by his actions.

There's probably only one flight per week from Ontario to Walla Walla, and Whitman had to get dressed and hustle through security so they wouldn't miss it.

OxyBob

[tigersports]

There's probably only one flight per week from Ontario to Walla Walla, and Whitman had to get dressed and hustle through security so they wouldn't miss it.

OxyBob

Does it then go on to Kalamazoo?

It's a beautiful day for a ballgame!

[LogShow]

cmsstag,

Where you at the game?  Do you think there was some underlying reason for what happened?

[oldchap]

I am looking forward to seeing how many SCIAC teams fall to this very athletic Chapman team. They had a very bad showing at the Redlands Tournament. Losing two of their best players inside to injuries didn't help them too much either.

Chapman didn't have such a bad showing at the Fulmer tournament. About 15 minutes into the first half against Whitman, one of their starter, a very athletic post player, hit the floor in a collision. He was gone for several minutes: concussion and done for the tournament. A few minutes later, his sub was elbowed badly and also suffered a mild concussion and had to have stitches to repair a tear in his jaw: done for the tournament too. Probably shaken up by the whole experience and the loss of two excellent players, Chapman eventually lost to Whitman. They did bounce back by comfortably beating the University of Redlands, then winning against a very athletic CS East Bay in a nailbiter in overtime. Several freshmen had to step up and they did a fine job.

Under the circumstances, I don't call this a "bad showing".

[OxyBob]

I am looking forward to seeing how many SCIAC teams fall to this very athletic Chapman team.

Chapman has a good team, maybe good enough to get a Pool B bid. The Panthers' problem is their schedule. Chapman only plays 6 home games all season out of a 24-game schedule. Is it that hard to get teams to travel to Orange?

Last night's score: Cal Lutheran 78, La Sierra 57. The Kingsmen (4-1) had no trouble dispatching the Golden Eagles (1-8).

Tonight's schedule: La Verne (2-4) is home to Johnson & Wales (5-6), an NAIA D-II school from Denver.

OxyBob

[Hoopsallthetime]

Under the circumstances, I don't call this a "bad showing".
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When i was talking about there "bad showing" I wasn't talking about there play. I agree with Oxy Bob in regards to how good this team really is. The losses they took at the tournament were tough because I have seen this team play at a very high level.  They have great guard play, and there inside play is getting better. I think if they were healthy and didn't lose there starter, they would have beaten Whitman that night!

As for logshow...why don't you ask the coach about his actions.....

[OxyBob]

Chapman didn't have such a bad showing at the Fulmer tournament. About 15 minutes into the first half against Whitman, one of their starter, a very athletic post player, hit the floor in a collision. He was gone for several minutes: concussion and done for the tournament. A few minutes later, his sub was elbowed badly and also suffered a mild concussion and had to have stitches to repair a tear in his jaw: done for the tournament too.

The two injured Chapman players, Jared Kaiser and Jon Consani, will probably miss the next couple of games against Caltech and Whittier.

Last night's score:

La Verne 70, Johnson & Wales 61

ULV: Billy Nicolini 20, Danny Vasquez 11
J&W: Andrew Baker 15, Chris Brunson 12, Nick Maly 11

Halftime: ULV 26-21
Rebounds: ULV 44-30
Records: La Verne 3-4, Johnson & Wales 5-7

The game was tied 31-all with 15 minutes to go. ULV went on a 13-2 run to lead 44-33, and Johnson & Wales wasn't able to catch up.

(Aside: All humans are descendants of apes, except for the Welsh. They come from Wales.)

Tonight's games:

Chapman (5-2) @ Caltech (0-5)
Claremont (6-1) @ La Sierra (1-8)
Hope International (1-5) @ Pomona (2-5)

Caltech may get a nonconference win this season, but tonight isn't it. The Beavers best chance for victory will be on Jan. 5 when CIT faces Polytechnic (0-9) from the Skyline Conference. The last Skyline team which ventured into the Braun Center was Bard, and Caltech whipped them 81-52, CIT's first win against a D-III team in 207 tries. Claremont will roll against LSU. Pomona plays Hope International, the Sagehens' 4th GSAC foe this season. Pomona should fare much better than it did against Concordia, Biola and The Master's, which are a combined 21-5.

Upcoming games:

12/15 Whittier @ Chapman
12/17 Lawrence @ Caltech
12/17 Gwynedd-Mercy @ Whittier
12/18 Chapman @ La Verne
12/18 Oxy @ La Sierra
12/18 Gwynedd-Mercy @ Caltech
12/19 Lawrence @ Cal Lutheran

Lawrence vs. Cal Lutheran should be an excellent battle. Lawrence, from the Midwest Conference, is in the "Others Receiving Votes" category in this week's D3hoops Top 25 poll. Thankfully the MWC isn't torturing West Coast fans this season by making us watch Grinnell.

I also noticed that Carthage (4-2) also received votes in the Top 25 poll while Cal Lutheran (4-1) didn't, despite the Kingmen's win over the Red Men. I forgot that even pedestrian CCIW teams only lose out here because of the overwhelming burden of plane travel, bad refereeing, and inexperienced players, so the loss by Carthage doesn't really count. Maybe a win over Lawrence will get CLU some votes.

OxyBob