MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[CMSfan]

Jason Toney, CMS (for you CMS fan)

Much appreciated!

[oldchap]

So picking a team with the third-worst schedule in D-III is some sort of make-up call? They didn't take Green Mountain last year.

You are jumping to conclusion. Read my post again. I never said that. I just interjected to OB's post implying that the NCAA committee has to uphold to some sort of credibility, when in fact, their decisions are sometimes (and I highlight sometimes) subjective and arguably unsubstanciated. If they were to make their selection process public, then maybe I would rescind my comment. But I'm sure they'll never do that.

The selection process is objective for roughly 75 to 80% of the teams (not bad, by the way, for something as complicated as that). However, the bottom of Pool B and Pool C picks are pure "judgment calls". I'm sure they're doing the best they can (at least I hope there isn't any obvious bias), but this shows that the process isn't entirely objective, hence my comment about "credibility".

And in regards to "third-worst schedule in D-III", a lot of the conversations in the "Pool B" forum revolve around only one number, and that is the OWP. It seems that everyone tends to forget that there are plenty of other criteria, according to the handbook and these criteria aren't listed in order of priority. Did you notice for instance that Chapman's OOWP is higher than Maryville's?

[OxyBob]

Jason Toney, Pomona

You're killing me, OB! 

Ooops! Fixed. I was going back and forth between Toney and the Sagehens' Adam Chiamowitz.

I would agree with most, but I dont think Meier played enough to warrant a spot on either team, let alone 1st team. 

I don't agree. Meier played in 20 games, led the conference in scoring average (16.3), was second in rebounds (8.0), Top 10 in FG% (.504) and FT% (.762), and was fifth in minutes played despite being injured. He's the best player in the league, and it's a tribute to his team that they played so well without him.

OxyBob

[CMSfan]

So, my Stags go to Spokane to play Whitworth in the first round on Thursday.  Winner takes on University of Puget Sound on Saturday.

I am fairly ignorant about the teams outside of SCIAC, but based on the last top 25 poll, it sure looks like CMS is in a very tough bracket and will have a tough time making much of a run.  It looks like the top 7 ranked teams are all in that bracket with CMS.  For those of you more knowledgeable than I, what is the outlook for CMS?  CMS beat Whitworth earlier this year, but that was at Redlands.  How much of a home-court advantage does Whitworth have?  And have there been any significant developments with their team since the first matchup?  I see they upset UPS in the conference final.  So, does that mean UPS in vulnerable.  If CMS can beat Whitworth, how would they match up with UPS?

Go, Stags!

[OxyBob]

Whitworth will be a tough matchup, obviously, so you can't look past them.  How does CMS match up with them? 

One thing you will certainly enjoy is Bob Castle, the voice of the Whitworthpirates. (He doesn't call them Whitworth or Pirates. They are Whitworthpirates.) One of the best around.

Whitworth has four great players, David Riley, Ross Nakamura, Nate Montgomery, and Calvin Jurich. Claremont beat them 73-68 on Dec. 5 in the Lee Fulmer Tournament at Redlands. In that game, blew an 11-point second half lead, but Chris Blees led the Stags to victory. Whitworth plays in a big fieldhouse, and the shooting perspective can be disorienting to an uninitiated visitor. A very tough road assignment for CMS.

OxyBob

[bbaddict]

Whitworth will be a tough matchup, obviously, so you can't look past them.  How does CMS match up with them? 

One thing you will certainly enjoy is Bob Castle, the voice of the Whitworthpirates. (He doesn't call them Whitworth or Pirates. They are Whitworthpirates.) One of the best around.

Whitworth has four great players, David Riley, Ross Nakamura, Nate Montgomery, and Calvin Jurich. Claremont beat them 73-68 on Dec. 5 in the Lee Fulmer Tournament at Redlands. In that game, blew an 11-point second half lead, but Chris Blees led the Stags to victory. Whitworth plays in a big fieldhouse, and the shooting perspective can be disorienting to an uninitiated visitor. A very tough road assignment for CMS.

OxyBob

Whitworth also has a pretty cool streaming video feature if they use it for this game.  You can actually see stuff & the camera person doesn't flip all over the place like at other places I won't mention.

[CMSfan]

Great information.  Thanks to you both!  I'll look forward to some sort of live broadcast of the game.

[sciacguru]

Jason Toney, Pomona

You're killing me, OB! 

Ooops! Fixed. I was going back and forth between Toney and the Sagehens' Adam Chiamowitz.

I would agree with most, but I dont think Meier played enough to warrant a spot on either team, let alone 1st team. 

I don't agree. Meier played in 20 games, led the conference in scoring average (16.3), was second in rebounds (8.0), Top 10 in FG% (.504) and FT% (.762), and was fifth in minutes played despite being injured. He's the best player in the league, and it's a tribute to his team that they played so well without him.

OxyBob

Yes, he played in 20 games, but only 9 conference games.  I would think that they select on what they did in conference (14 games) not what they did over the entire season.  Most of the stats from the SCIAC site mention a player must have participated in 75% of the SCIAC games to be considered...Meier only 64%.  Don't get me wrong, Meier is a 1st team caliber player, but I don't think he played in enough SCIAC games to get mentioned, let alone 1st Team.  His stats in SCIAC were 13.6 pts (t-8th), 4.8 rebs (t-11th).

[sciacguru]

Meier - 2nd Team

Here is your All-SCIAC team:

http://thesciac.org/sports/mbkb/2008-09/news/mbb_allsciac_0809

[CMSfan]

Lots of good players returning in SCIAC next year.  Only 2 seniors made All-SCIAC.  Both from Whittier.

[larry_u]

Someone add CMS's profile here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0

[pineconefan]

Looking forward to having C-M-S visit Whitworth this week.

Spokane is ready to give the Stags a traditional early-March Inland Northwest welcome! 

Mar 5  Thursday
Rain and snow showers. Highs in the mid 30s and lows in the upper 20s.

[OxyBob]

Mar 5  Thursday
Rain and snow showers. Highs in the mid 30s and lows in the upper 20s.

Is the game being played outside?

OxyBob

[pineconefan]

Nah, but we'll open up a few windows! 

[bbaddict]

Mar 5  Thursday
Rain and snow showers. Highs in the mid 30s and lows in the upper 20s.

Is the game being played outside?

OxyBob

He's probably thinking that those southern Californians will be shaking from the cold & unable to shoot!