MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[fhsutiger]

From the 16:31 to the 11:28 mark of that game WW went on a run from up 1 to up 15. Other than that, we played them even; so sorry it was 5 minutes not 3 minutes.

You must have learned how to measure time and keep score differently than I did. Whitworth led 42-40 at the half. The Pirates outscored you 16-4 and led 58-44 at 12:00. Then the lead went to 69-52 at 8:00. You got the lead down to 13 at 2:40, and lost by 18. Sorry, but you didn't play them even.

As for your mythical Pool C aspirations, CMS better figure out how to beat Pomona this Saturday, because the Stags got worked last time, and the Sagehens are fighting for their conference tournament lives.

OxyBob

Bob- I don't remember you being at the game, but I do remember that Pomona didn't work us last game. As you may know, CMS-PP games can change in a hurry. The Stags had it within 3 with a minute to go, and had a shot to tie it up and go to overtime. The shot didn't go in and free-throw added to the final score. The game was much closer than the score showed.
As for us getting work, this team is playing at a very high level right now and I promise you this, Pomona better get ready for what is coming to them this Saturday. They are going to get hit harder than they have ever got hit before. I was talking to the boys last night after the game and they are ready. They were not happy to give up all of the offensive rebounds and get punished on the boards. I just hope Sexton makes it through the game, because everytime he comes through the lane I promise he will get hit in some way or another. Not cheaply by anymeans, but he will feel everyone's presence.
I don't know if you remember this, but last year the Stags got beat at Pomona and then defeated the Sagehen's at home handily during the SCIAC season and easily again in the SCIAC tournament. If there is one thing we are not worrried about, its not getting "worked by Pomona".

Good luck to Oxy even making the Tournament!

[NWCer]

OxyBob, you crack me up, I love peeking in on this board.  Another reason CMS won't get an automatic bid - look no further than Saturday, November 21st, 2009, @ WILLAMETTE.  Horrible loss (in regards for an at-large for CMS). 

[OxyBob]

Put all of your other fanciful scenarios out of your mind.

How very inciteful of you.   

A little goadness never hurt anyone.

I don't remember you being at the game, but I do remember that Pomona didn't work us last game. As you may know, CMS-PP games can change in a hurry. The Stags had it within 3 with a minute to go, and had a shot to tie it up and go to overtime. The shot didn't go in and free-throw added to the final score. The game was much closer than the score showed.

You scored 36 lousy points in the last game, 13 in the first half. You got worked. Hopefully Kat will do it to you again this Saturday. Then hopefully Pomona will get the 4th seed and Kat will work you again in the conference tournament and knock you out on your ass.

As for Justin Sexton, try and box him out a little this time so he doesn't get 25 rebounds.

OxyBob

[CMSfan]

Hopefully Kat will do it to you again this Saturday. Then hopefully Pomona will get the 4th seed and Kat will will work you again in the conference tournament and knock you out on your ass.

Hope springs eternal, big guy.  But I think you're better off taking your own advice:

Put all of your other fanciful scenarios out of your mind.

[OxyBob]

Hopefully Kat will do it to you again this Saturday. Then hopefully Pomona will get the 4th seed and Kat will will work you again in the conference tournament and knock you out on your ass.

Hope springs eternal, big guy.  But I think you're better off taking your own advice:

Put all of your other fanciful scenarios out of your mind.

March 1, 2008: Pomona 55, Claremont 53 OT

Pomona knocks Claremont out on its ass.

I don't make 'em up, pally.

OxyBob

[stag44]

Hopefully Kat will do it to you again this Saturday. Then hopefully Pomona will get the 4th seed and Kat will will work you again in the conference tournament and knock you out on your ass.

Hope springs eternal, big guy.  But I think you're better off taking your own advice:

Put all of your other fanciful scenarios out of your mind.

March 1, 2008: Pomona 55, Claremont 53 OT

Pomona knocks Claremont out on its ass.

I don't make 'em up, pally.

OxyBob

Lots of Stag bashing going on right now, and I dont like it one bit. Sure @ PP this year our guys couldn't score, but you know what - neither could Pomona. From all fans watching they said it was just one of the ugliest games they'd seen ever on both sides. Looking at the final score is just a childish way of breaking down how the game went. CMS obviously played poorly in the first half, but clawed its way back into the game with a chance to tie with around 90 seconds to go.

I mean if you want to talk about getting their asses kicked look no further than CMS vs Oxy this year - I think both those games showed that Oxy can't hang with the class of the SCIAC. At this point Oxy is still not a lock for the SCIAC tourney.

CMS's body of work in SCIAC play speaks for itself - they have won every game they were supposed to, and were a couple of bounces away from being 12-0. We have a very tough close to our season, PP and @ a hot CLU, but I know the guys they are starting to really grasp the importance of each game from here on out. I think a very interesting Stat to look at is how teams have fared in the 2nd half of each SCIAC season the last 5 years:

CMS 26-7
CLU 23-10
P-P  21-12
OXY 19-14

I think this just shows how teams adjust in conference.

Preview for saturday upcoming

[fhsutiger]

I hate doing this, because I like Oxybob, but if all he is going to do is throw out stats all the time, then I guess I will throw a few out:

Overall Record (08-2010)

Oxy

Regular Season
11-14 (2008-09)
16-7 (2009-10)

27-21 overall record the last two years (Not including remaining games)

SCIAC Conference Record
7-7 (2008-09)
8-4 (2009-10)

15-11 overall record the last two years (not including remaining games)

CMS

Regular Season
21-7 (2008-09)
19-4 (2009-10)

40-11 overall record the last two years (Not including remaining games)
Lost in first round of SCIAC tourney to CMS (Unfortunate)
Didn't make it last Year! (Ouch)
May not make it this year!

SCIAC Conference Record
11-3 (2008-09)
11-1 (2009-10)

22-4 overall record the last two years (Not including remaining games)

Oh yeah---
SCIAC League Championship Last year and this Year!
SCIAC Tournament Champion Last year

Looks like Coach Scali is building a program and will probably win it again next year with the help of soon to be TWO time Player of the Year Chris Blees and company.

So bring on the Stats, because they speak for themselves. I'm sure you will go back to the 2005-2006 season because that is all you have to go back too! Yes, you guys beat us...I have finally accepted it.

[CMSfan]

March 1, 2008: Pomona 55, Claremont 53 OT

Pomona knocks Claremont out on its ass.

I don't make 'em up, pally.

Hard to argue with that flawless logic

All I'm saying is that your dream scenario involves an inferior P-P team beating the Stags 3 times in one year.  Has that ever happened?  Sure, anything's possible, but I find it amusing that you would call anyone out for being fanciful when that's what you're bringing to the table.

Look, if I were in your shoes, I'd also be trying to concoct some scenario in which Oxy could avoid playing the Stags in the SCIAC tournament.  We're flattered, really.  If that helps you sleep at night, great!  But I'd be more worried about qualifying for the tournament in the first place if I were you.

Go Stags!

[OxyBob]

I hate doing this, because I like Oxybob, but if all he is going to do is throw out stats all the time, then I guess I will throw a few out

Those are fascinating statistics.

Here's a multiple choice question:

Since the 1998-1999 season, how many postseason games has Claremont won?

A. Less than 1.
B. None.
C. Zero.
D. Zip.
E. Nada.
F. All of the above.

All I'm saying is that your dream scenario involves an inferior P-P team beating the Stags 3 times in one year.  Has that ever happened?

2007-2008
Pomona 56, Claremont 54
Pomona 52, Claremont 42
Pomona 55, Claremont 53 OT

Any other questions?

OxyBob

[CMSfan]

All I'm saying is that your dream scenario involves an inferior P-P team beating the Stags 3 times in one year.  Has that ever happened?

2007-2008
Pomona 56, Claremont 54
Pomona 52, Claremont 42
Pomona 55, Claremont 53 OT

Any other questions?

OxyBob

Hard to say that team was inferior to the CMS squad, no?

This year is a slightly different story.  P-P is reeling.  CMS is on a roll.  We're not talking about two 8-6 teams this time around.  Good teams have bad games.  CMS had one against P-P.  Based on the rest of the SCIAC season, that seems highly unlikely to happen two more times.  CMS vs. P-P is always exciting.  Anything could happen.  But it's unlikely.  And pinning your hopes on it strikes me as rather fanciful.

I guess it's kind of a subtle point I'm making.  I'll try to be more straightforward in the future if that will help.

[OxyBob]

Hard to say that team was inferior to the CMS squad, no?

I thought it was a given among Claremont fans that all teams are inferior to CMS, and that no one's ever actually beaten the Stags merely because the other team was better. There's always some excuse, explanation or justification for CMS losses that are completely independent of the other team's ability and talent. I think you should be drummed out of the corps for implying otherwise.

OxyBob

[DIIIghetto]

Congrats CMS on a great SCIAC season.  We know it is not an easy thing to do, even in a bottom tier conference.  Your boys deserve to get our ticket but unfortunately deserve has nothing to do with it.  Kats looms and so does that final conference tourney game.  Lots of pressure will be on your boys.  As I said before, I really want Scali to get his ticket this year because the inevitable Chapman v. Stag game will be like the D1 NCAA Tourney play-in game (#64 v #65) and it will get your squad off the post-season SCHNEID.

Jackson State   12-1   -   
Arkansas-Pine Bluff   10-3   2   
Prairie View A&M   8-4   3½   
Texas Southern   8-4   3½   
Alabama State   7-5   7½   
Mississippi Valley State   6-7   
Alabama A&M   5-7      
Grambling State   4-9      
Southern University   2-11   
Alcorn State   1-12   

[Gregory Sager]

Some enterprising Mississippian is even now starting to crank out t-shirts that read, "Alcorn State: The Caltech of the South." 

[stag44]

Hard to say that team was inferior to the CMS squad, no?

I thought it was a given among Claremont fans that all teams are inferior to CMS, and that no one's ever actually beaten the Stags merely because the other team was better. There's always some excuse, explanation or justification for CMS losses that are completely independent of the other team's ability and talent. I think you should be drummed out of the corps for implying otherwise.

OxyBob

I think that CMS goes into every game on their schedule feeling confident that they can win. I'd say that there were only a few games that we were actually outmatched talent and ability-wise. It's in the way we play that we feel we control the outcome of every game. Probably vs Concordia Irvine and @WW in the NCAAs last year stand out as games where I though we didn't control the outcome and would have to come up with an upset. I'm not saying those are the only ones, but those ones resonate with me.

[West Coast Bias]

As for us getting work, this team is playing at a very high level right now and I promise you this, Pomona better get ready for what is coming to them this Saturday. They are going to get hit harder than they have ever got hit before. I was talking to the boys last night after the game and they are ready. They were not happy to give up all of the offensive rebounds and get punished on the boards. I just hope Sexton makes it through the game, because everytime he comes through the lane I promise he will get hit in some way or another. Not cheaply by anymeans, but he will feel everyone's presence.

Don't you just love CMS fans?  "They are going to get hit harder than they have ever got hit before",  "I hope Sexton makes it through the game",  "I promise he will get his in some way or another"?  

Am I in the right place?  Are we talking about SCIAC basketball or the WWF?

OxyBob - Can you help me translate the strange language of CMS fans?  Right now here is what I have:

"We played them even" translates to "we lost by 20"
"The game was closer than the score showed" in CMS speak means "We lost by 11"
"CMS beat them handily at home" translates to "CMS won by 6"
"Claremont is an elite academic institution like Cal Tech, Oxy, and Pomona"  really means "CMS has more junior college transfers than the rest of the SCIAC combined"

Any thing else you can help me translate? I don't spend that much time around the CMS folks.