MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DIIIghetto]

It is no fun to be in the ghetto of DIII.  

Congrats to Chapman for the win.  Scali's post-season schneid continues.  Obviously playing Chapman on the road was an advantage for Chapman.  But I guess the bright side is that if Scali's boys couldn't get it done against the Panthers, they might have been the recipient of a serious spanking in Spokane.  

Good luck to Chapman.  

The rest of us will keep hoping for another SCIAC team that is good enough to push through the DIII basement ceiling and get us to at least the middle floor.  No easy task...

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[The Roop]

Has the SCIAC ever considered a move to DII ?? Perhaps if the entire conference moved the NCAA might waive (unlikely) or shorten the re-classification process. Then you wouldn't be isolated from the rest of your division and would have the limited scholarships to offer potential recruits.

[cmsme]

Good bye.  I enjoyed reading all your posts.  You guys know your stuff.

I don't understand why SCIAC would be the D3 basement.  There are great basketball players from Southern California.  How much better could these other teams be?   

[OxyBob]

Obviously playing Chapman on the road was an advantage for Chapman.  

As basketball maven AR noted in his post game notes to me, Claremont's 2-loss stumble at the end of the conference season, particularly the second loss to Pomona, may have cost CMS a chance to leapfrog Chapman in the regional rankings and host last night's game. Considering how Claremont plays in its bandbox, that's not an insignificant matter. I didn't dub Ducey Gym the Temple of Doom for nothing.

OxyBob

[oldchap]

Obviously playing Chapman on the road was an advantage for Chapman. 

As basketball maven AR noted in his post game notes to me, Claremont's 2-loss stumble at the end of the conference season, particularly the second loss to Pomona, may have cost CMS a chance to leapfrog Chapman in the regional rankings and host last night's game. Considering how Claremont plays in its bandbox, that's not an insignificant matter. I didn't dub Ducey Gym the Temple of Doom for nothing.

OxyBob

According to Massey Ratings, home court advantage is worth 2.68 points, not enough under last night scenario to have cost Chapman the game. In addition, Chapman beat Claremont last year in the "Temple of Doom", so with arguably a better team this year, I don't think the Panthers would have been intimidated.

For my take on the outcome of the game, you can read my post in this forum:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5506.75

By the way, thank you for the congratulations and words of encouragement. From our Chapman family to your SCIAC family, we may be rivals but have a tremendous amount of respect for each other.

[CalCat]

Eyewitness report from Orange.....

The co-oeds next to me said not to miss the underwear run this year!

Did they recommend boxers or briefs for you D.O.C  ?

[D O.C.]

I believe they recommended a FUBU hoodie and a Canon EOS 5D Mark II SLR Digital Camera with a Zuiko Digital ED 9-18mm.

[Still Can Play!!!]

Been around the game for many years, so here's my take.............(respect stag44 a ton by the way)

common opponents--- George Fox, UCSC and Pomona Pitzer.  Each have handled Santa Cruz.  Whitworth by an average of 14 and Chapman by an average of 22.  Each handled George Fox.  whitworth by an average of 16 and Chapman by an average of 28. (played once).  Difference is that when you play someone twice a year and maybe even 3 times and you're in the same league, there are no secrets.  You know one another so well that a ten point win can actually be a really solid win.  Difference is Pomona Pitzer.  Whitworth lost to Po-Pi by one real early in the season and Chapman beat them by 18 in the first game of the season.  By this people would say, chapman should win, but hold on.......not finished.  Whitworth will have a great "white-out" of their own to get them pumped and ready to play.  The home cooking should be good for a few points.  These two teams have played each other once in each of the past two seasons, so they are not going to be intimidated.  Whitworth by 9 and Chapman by 3....both on neutral floors.  I think the bottom line is that if the game is played in the 70's low 80's whitworth wins by 8-10;  if the game is played in the 50's to low 60's, chapman has a chance and pulls off the 1-2 point upset.

[tigersports]

Tonight's game proved that the SCIAC is clearly a B list conference at best (Christian Slater, Shelley Long, Meg Ryan).  CMS could do nothing on offense in key possessions down the stretch against CU, with their best offense being a left-handed overhead reverse four-footer with the back to the basket and the shot clock at :02.  The fact that the team that forced this upon the SCIAC's best team got drilled by 21 in the second round is all that needs to be said.  Oxy had the perfect storm in '03 to reach the quarters.  No wins by the SCIAC against non-SCIAC teams since.  I love observing and calling SCIAC games, but they are a clear cut below the rest of the country.

As for why with all the great players in this state, well, you have about 15 D-I schools, 10 D-II schools and 11 GSAC schools giving out about 350 scholarships among them.  With that many D-II and NAIA scholarships to give out, it's tough to get a competitive D-III conference among the players left over.

As for switching to D-II, that is a terrible idea and will never happen.  These schools are far more in accord with the D-III philosophy of top-notch small liberal arts colleges than they are with the commuter-schools that pervade D-II.

[oldchap]

The fact that the team that forced this upon the SCIAC's best team got drilled by 21 in the second round is all that needs to be said. 

I will post my game report in the West Region Independent forum, however I will say this:

1. Sure, Whitworth is a far better team than CU or CMS, no question about it. However, as they revved up in power, skills and experience throughout the season, they are in my opinion good enough to go to the Final Four and perhaps to win it all. No shame in losing against a team like that.

2. Except for the first five minutes of the game, when Chapman played into the Pirates hand by allowing their "run and gun" style of play and the last 5, when 3 of their starters were fouled out, the Panthers gave Whitworth a game, frustrating them even at times and slowing their offense way down. Look at the score: one feather in Chapman's cap is that they allowed 10 less points than the Pirates average for the year. They are number 3 in the nation for 3-pt shooting, yet they shot 5-20 last night.

[cmsme]

Hey poor lonesome cowboy,  Terrible thing to loose by 21 points, but I thought you guys looked good.  I was proud of the way you didn't collapse in horror when you fell behind early in the game.  Chapman fought back.  I thought you were a good representative for the SCIAC, even if you are not in the SCIAC.
There is always next year.

[OxyBob]

The fact that the team that forced this upon the SCIAC's best team got drilled by 21 in the second round is all that needs to be said. 

Except for the first five minutes of the game, when Chapman played into the Pirates hand by allowing their "run and gun" style of play and the last 5, when 3 of their starters were fouled out, the Panthers gave Whitworth a game, frustrating them even at times and slowing their offense way down.

Ah, the deluded game analysis by an overheated, overwrought, over-involved sports dad. Always love it. To read your post, one would think that Chapman was actually in the game. Then I looked at the box score (well, the Whitworth box score, since the Chapman box score curiously doesn't have the play-by-play) and found that Chapman never led in the game, and except for when it was 2-0 and 8-5 never had a chance to tie or take the lead. Three starters fouled out, and another had 4 fouls. Chapman shot a Caltech-like 38%, was 3-for-15 on 3s, and bricked its FTs. The outcome was never in doubt. In short, Chapman got pasted.

Look at the score: one feather in Chapman's cap is that they allowed 10 less points than the Pirates average for the year.

So does Whitworth get its own feather for holding Chapman 17 points under its season average?

OxyBob

[oldchap]

Oxybob,

The Chapman family doesn't give a rat's ass about what you think. We prefer to look at the glass half full. This year, the Panthers stayed in the top 20 (and mostly higher) both in the D3hoops and Massey's rankings for most of the season, were ranked regionally by the NCAA, made it to the playoffs and won their first game. That's something that Occidental College certainly hasn't done in the past several years. And there are hundreds of D3 schools in the Nation that would be happy with such a record.

The Panthers hadn't won a playoff game in 32 years of their history and it was their first playoff appearance and first win ever as a D3 school. The three graduating seniors went off with honor, making Chapman history and making everyone proud. And no lowly sarcasm by some sour homer will ever take that away from them.

[oldchap]

Hey poor lonesome cowboy,  Terrible thing to loose by 21 points, but I thought you guys looked good.  I was proud of the way you didn't collapse in horror when you fell behind early in the game.  Chapman fought back.  I thought you were a good representative for the SCIAC, even if you are not in the SCIAC.
There is always next year.

Thank you for your words of encouragement, unlike some other crass, classless post...

Even if we're not in the SCIAC, playing you guys so much during the season, we also feel we're family...

[dahlby]

I am so glad to see so much love on this board!

Now that we have put this basketball season to bed, we can move that love to the baseball boards, and begin warm-ups for the football season.