MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OxyBob]

I've watched at least half of caltech's home games in each of the last five years

I've attended a few Caltech games myself. I was at Braun when CIT beat Bard to end its 207-game D-III losing streak. I was at Braun when CIT beat NYU Polytechnic, which I think was Doc Eslinger's first win. Heck, I have been at Caltech games when I was practically the only fan in the stands:

http://tech.caltech.edu/archive/01_14_2008.pdf

I've played with all of the Caltech players over that span and the improvement in the last two years is startling

I had no idea that they were playing with YOU. No wonder they're better.

Quote all the stats you like. Not impressed. Win a freaking conference game already, then crow away. What Rich Reed said.

OxyBob

[West Coast Bias]

Great to see some Cal Tech posters on this board!  And they seem to know who to go after right from the start!  OxyBob I guess you just can't make any friends in the SCIAC.

Say what you want about OxyBob, but the man knows his hoops.  He has been around the SCIAC for a long time, and has seen our best teams and our worst.  For those of us that can't make it to games, its great to have a somewhat biased but honest take on the games.  I wasn't at the game on Saturday, but when looking for an honest assessment of how much better Cal Tech is it looks like I can either go with OxyBob, an Occidental supporter and SCIAC diehard who decided to spend his Saturday night at a PP Cal Tech game, or what appears to be either a player, coach, or parent of this years Cal Tech squad, seeing with his or her heart.

No doubt that Cal Tech is better this year.  Their win total is evidence of that.  But when OxyBob says "Same old Cal Tech", he is probably referring to the fact that the Beavers were held to 12 points in the 2nd half, and 41 for the game.  Which looks an awful lot like the 47 ppg they scored in SCIAC play last year, and the 46 ppg they scored in 2009.  The only difference between the beavers almost getting a W and getting beat to sleep is PP only scored 47 for the game.  Inept offense?  Great Defense?  I wasn't there, I can't say.  But I do know that when one team has been to the SCIAC championship game 3 straight seasons, and one team hasn't won a conference game in 298 attempts, I would have given the former the benefit of the doubt too. 

And before you get too high and mighty about Cal Tech academics and people working for other people...

2 schools in the conference have had President's of the United States attend.  Cal Tech isn't one of them.

Pomona College acceptance rate - 14%
Claremont Mckenna College acceptance rate - 16%
Cal Tech acceptance rate - 17%

Not even the toughest school to get into in the SCIAC!   

Any predictions for this week? 

[dahlby]

WCB,

Excellent points you make.

But, being a marketing guy, I would be interested in knowing how many applications were received in regard to the acceptance percentages you posted.

Good luck to all the SCIAC teams tonight!

[CrashDavisD3]

WCB,

2 schools in the conference have had President's of the United States attend.  Cal Tech isn't one of them.
Pomona College acceptance rate - 14%
Claremont Mckenna College acceptance rate - 16%
Cal Tech acceptance rate - 17%
Not even the toughest school to get into in the SCIAC!  

But Cal Tech still have some of the smartest students in the SCIAC and the country
http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2010/12/why_caltech_is_in_a_class_by_i.html

[etule]

I've seen Cal Tech play twice this year! I don't think this is the same old Cal Tech! If you hold a team to 47 points you have a chance to win some games.  They have enough offense but it's their defense that is much better. Defense is about effort and can be brought every night offense is a lot more fickle.
That is the reason they will break thru this year in the SCIAC!

[West Coast Bias]

Dahlby,

I just searched each schools admissions profile for the class of 2013 to get those percentages.

Pomona - 6149 applicants
CMC - 4,246
Cal tech - 4,413

Let me make it clear that I know the Cal Tech students are incredibly bright.  I know they are smart, motivated, and hard working.  And their basketball team is improving.  I hope they break the streak.  I was just responding to the asinine "They will work for Cal Tech grads some day" post.  It seems whenever someone brings up Cal Tech basketball it always comes back to the old "their students could never get in to Cal Tech" argument.  The best thing about the SCIAC is ALL the student athletes are just that, student athletes.  They go to class, study hard, and take their education seriously.  I just wanted to knock the Cal Tech crony off his academic high horse.

[OxyBob]

I wasn't at the game on Saturday, but when looking for an honest assessment of how much better Cal Tech is it looks like I can either go with OxyBob, an Occidental supporter and SCIAC diehard who decided to spend his Saturday night at a PP Cal Tech game, or what appears to be either a player, coach, or parent of this years Cal Tech squad, seeing with his or her heart.

I read all of the hype on here about Caltech. I went to see for myself, and as with 99% of things in life, reality didn't live up to the hype. Pointing that out bugs some people. Oh, well.

Wednesday's schedule, all games 7:30 p.m.:

Claremont (5-6, 1-0 SCIAC) @ Cal Lutheran (6-6, 0-1)
Redlands (4-8, 1-0) @ Caltech (4-8, 0-1)
Whittier (6-6, 1-0) @ Pomona (5-7, 1-0)
La Verne (5-7, 0-1) @ Oxy (6-6, 0-1)

Claremont has lost 4 straight at CLU. I haven't seen Whittier play yet, but Correspondent AR informed me that Rock Carter has his usual athletic bunch. Pomona better play a lot better against the Poets than the Sagehens did the other night against CIT. Speaking of Caltech, just to infuriate my newfound friends, I'll predict that Redlands will make it 299 straight conference losses. ULV lost a heartbreaker to Whittier, while Oxy needs to find some offensive consistency beyond Jack Hanley and Deshun McCoy.

OxyBob

[Gray Fox]

Dahlby,

I just searched each schools admissions profile for the class of 2013 to get those percentages.

Pomona - 6149 applicants
CMC - 4,246
Cal tech - 4,413

Let me make it clear that I know the Cal Tech students are incredibly bright.  I know they are smart, motivated, and hard working.  And their basketball team is improving.  I hope they break the streak.  I was just responding to the asinine "They will work for Cal Tech grads some day" post.  It seems whenever someone brings up Cal Tech basketball it always comes back to the old "their students could never get in to Cal Tech" argument.  The best thing about the SCIAC is ALL the student athletes are just that, student athletes.  They go to class, study hard, and take their education seriously.  I just wanted to knock the Cal Tech crony off his academic high horse.

Pat,
I know you set up a whole politics section.
I suggest you set up a "My school is smarter than your school" section.
Then we can stick to basketball, etc.

[John Gleich]

I have been at Caltech games when I was the only fan in the stands:

I distinctly see TWO people in the stands, sir...  You fully misrepresented the attendance by HALF, at least!!   

[OxyBob]

I have been at Caltech games when I was the only fan in the stands:

I distinctly see TWO people in the stands, sir...  You fully misrepresented the attendance by HALF, at least!!

Fixed.

OxyBob

[SITDuckAlum]

I just searched each schools admissions profile for the class of 2013 to get those percentages.

Pomona - 6149 applicants
CMC - 4,246
Cal tech - 4,413

.......I just wanted to knock the Cal Tech crony off his academic high horse.

Sorry, but you'll have to be more rigorous in your comparison of admission statistics to actually knock anyone off of any horses.  But quite frankly, the universities appeal to different types of students - liberal arts and STEM.  However, one thing you have to be conscious of is that the Caltech players follow the same high admission standards as the rest of the school; they don't make exceptions for great players.

That aside, we're comparing athletes, rather, teams of athletes.  And for that reason, I'm looking forward to attending the Redlands game, as I think these particular ones promise a good match-up.  Redlands with about an inch height advantage and a few more years of experience on average, and Caltech with whats been described as high energy, tough defense, combined with comparable season averages should provide some entertaining SCIAC basketball.  

[Hoopsallthetime]

What has happened to this board. Now all of a sudden, we have all these Caltech posters who are bringing tons of knowledge and wisdom to the board. This is my opinion and only my opinion...Let's begin the discussion about Caltech when they win a game and not until then. You have to prove yourself before you can actually be taken seriously on this board! Good luck on Wednesday!!!

[Gray Fox]

I have been at Caltech games when I was the only fan in the stands:

I distinctly see TWO people in the stands, sir...  You fully misrepresented the attendance by HALF, at least!!

Fixed.

OxyBob

Who took the picture? 

[Gray Fox]

What has happened to this board. Now all of a sudden, we have all these Caltech posters who are bringing tons of knowledge and wisdom to the board. This is my opinion and only my opinion...Let's begin the discussion about Caltech when they win a game and not until then. You have to prove yourself before you can actually be taken seriously on this board! Good luck on Wednesday!!!

All the Chapman posters pretending to be SCIAC members have established the precedent on this board.

[SITDuckAlum]

Caltech poster?  Ha. I'm trying to find out more about them and all the other SCIAC teams, after relocating to the area from the East Coast and DIII athletics out there.

From what I've read though, I do think OxyBob's remarks show some sort of wierd pleasure in watching Caltech lose, rather than hoping for a more competitive conference.  Sounds kind of like a dick to me - hope to see you at the game!