MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[West Coast Bias]

Good to see the SCIAC getting some love in the West Regional Rankings with both PP (#7) and CMS (#9).

Interesting that both St. Thomas and St. Olaf are ranked ahead of PP. I was trying to figure out what criteria could be used to determine that...

Now assuming that the records are close (St. Thomas 3 losses, CMS 3, St. Olaf 4, PP 4):

I would usually start with head to head results. PP beat St. Thomas. So thats not a top criteria.

Its obviously not because they have superior non-conference scheudles (they only play 5 non league games).

Its not because they have a bunch of great non conference wins (both teams 3-2. Both lost to UWSP, and St. Thomas lost to PP, St. Olaf to Augastana).

I can't imagine that it is a significant SOS disparity, because the MIAC has 2 teams as bad as Cal Tech.

It can't be wins over regionally ranked opponents (PP-2, CMS-1, St. Thomas-1, St. Olaf-0)

I guess the most imprtant factor in regional rankings is who you lost to.

2 of the 3 losses for UST are to ranked teams. 2 of St. Olafs losses are to ranked teams. PP lost to CMS and then 3 non ranked teams. CMS lost to PP and 2 non ranked teams.

That would also explain how Whitworth could be ranked ahead of a Colorado College team that they lost to...TWICE!

Really interesting way of looking at rankings. Winning doesn't matter. It only matters who you lose to.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Good to see the SCIAC getting some love in the West Regional Rankings with both PP (#7) and CMS (#9).

Interesting that both St. Thomas and St. Olaf are ranked ahead of PP. I was trying to figure out what criteria could be used to determine that...

Now assuming that the records are close (St. Thomas 3 losses, CMS 3, St. Olaf 4, PP 4):

I would usually start with head to head results. PP beat St. Thomas. So thats not a top criteria.

Its obviously not because they have superior non-conference scheudles (they only play 5 non league games).

Its not because they have a bunch of great non conference wins (both teams 3-2. Both lost to UWSP, and St. Thomas lost to PP, St. Olaf to Augastana).

I can't imagine that it is a significant SOS disparity, because the MIAC has 2 teams as bad as Cal Tech.

St. Thomas: .512
St. Olaf: .543
CMS: .505
PP: .506

It can't be wins over regionally ranked opponents (PP-2, CMS-1, St. Thomas-1, St. Olaf-0)

Not part of the criteria for the first week.

I guess the most imprtant factor in regional rankings is who you lost to.

2 of the 3 losses for UST are to ranked teams. 2 of St. Olafs losses are to ranked teams. PP lost to CMS and then 3 non ranked teams. CMS lost to PP and 2 non ranked teams.

If based on Top 25... rankings mean nothing.
If based on regionally ranked oppnents... that becomes a factor next week.

[West Coast Bias]

Thanks D-Mac!

I didn't know the criteria changed week to week. I was just going off of the NCAA D3 Primary Selection Criteria:

(Not listed in Priority Order)
●● Win-loss percentage against Division III opponents.
●● Division III strength of schedule.
-- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
-- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
[See below for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.]
●● Division III head-to-head competition.
●● Results versus common Division III opponents.
●● Results versus ranked Division III teams as established at the time of selection.

I was also counting "ranked" opponents as those regionally ranked (not my first rodeo!  )

Any way for us to know which criteria the regional committies are using in a particular week?

[Pat Coleman]

It's only that the first week there isn't an easy way to share across the eight separate committees the identity of their regionally ranked teams.

After the first week, they can use the previous week as a guide in the regional committee call on Monday and tweak it at the national committee level on Tuesday.

[West Coast Bias]

Thanks Pat! That is far too logical and reasonable.

[WoostAr]

Colorado College, CMS and (to a lesser extent) PP played fewer games in region.  St Thomas, Whitworth and St. Olaf all played 21 in-region games...PP 20, Colorado college 17, CMS 16. 

Interesting to note that La Verne has a win against a Great Lakes regionally ranked team (OWU).

Looking forward to see what Caltech can do against a regionally ranked opponent tonight.

[OxyBob]

Craig Dunkin will be on the air tonight for Oxy-Chapman.

https://www.facebook.com/oxybroadcast

Looking forward to see what Caltech can do against a regionally ranked opponent tonight.

0-13.

OxyBob

[Bigcat]

Craig Dunkin will be on the air tonight for Oxy-Chapman.

https://www.facebook.com/oxybroadcast



OxyBob

Jeez 12 bucks to watch a Division 3 basketball game online...no thank you.

[OxyBob]

Craig Dunkin will be on the air tonight for Oxy-Chapman.

Jeez 12 bucks to watch a Division 3 basketball game online...no thank you.

No charge to listen to Craig Dunkin.

OxyBob

[Bigcat]

Chapman pulls out a W at Oxy. SCIAC race now WIDE open with Cal Lu losing and La Verne winning at Whittier. Also, Hamasaki and Zavrsnick are now 1st and 2nd in the conference in scoring...but are still in danger of missing the playoffs. Whens the last time you saw something like that happen?

[OxyBob]

Hamasaki and Zavrsnick are now 1st and 2nd in the conference in scoring...but are still in danger of missing the playoffs. Whens the last time you saw something like that happen?

Shivers-Mazarei and the Traveling Freak Show.

OxyBob

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Another episode of Hoopsville is slated for tonight and Pomona-Pitzer MBB coach Charles Katsiaficas is scheduled to join us along with the following guests:

- #15 Wittenberg MBB coach Bill Brown
- #2 Hope WBB coach Brian Morehouse
- Stevenson WBB coach Jackie Boswell
- Maryville WBB coach Darrin Travillian
- Trinity (TX) WBB coach Cameron Hill
- Nazareth MBB coach Kevin Broderick
- St. Mary's (Md.) MBB coach Chris Harney

Show starts at 7 PM EST and will run at least 2:30 tonight.

You can tune in here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/feb13

You can also follow us on social media
- Twitter (@d3hoopsville and #Hoopsville)
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Thanks and enjoy the show!

[olddog]

Congrats to the Bulldogs last night taking down the Regals. It has been a tough year for UR BB , but never gets old beating the Regals in any sport.

[stag44]

Saturday Preview - great games in conference tomorrow with Championship and Playoff implications.

PP (11-2) @ Chapman (7-6) - Game of the Week. Playing at Hutton is not easy (just as CMS) and Chapman is hitting its stride with Hamasaki and Zaversnick playing as well as anyone in the SCIAC. They are leading scorers in the SCIAC in scoring right now and are starting to get help with Joyce and Dragovic which makes the dangerous. Pomona has had a full week off after their emotional win over CMS and put them square in the race for the regular season title. While they still need some help from CMS they can put the pressure on the Stags by winning out. McAndrews, Cohen, Weiss are all clicking and there are huge contributions coming from Klewer, Moss and most FaroneCollins. This will be a shootout similar to the game @PP earlier that went to OT and was in the 80s and 90s. It'll come down to the last few minutes and I think Pomona wins a close game on the back of McAndrews.

PP wins 81-77

ULV (7-6) @ CMS (11-1)
Great game here with ULV looking to keep pace for the 4th slot and CMS looking to continue winning keeping up in the win column with PP. In the game @ULV, CMS was played close in an ugly first half and broke free with a spurt during the middle of the 2nd half on won on the back of a DOMINATING defensive performance, holding ULV to 31 points before the benches were emptied with 2 minutes to go. Gaffaney got back on track with a good game vs CIT and they received strong performances from Lane, Hall, and Grodahl along with the steady Pinson. This will be a great game and it's also Senior night for Pinson and VanWart. Pinson is one of the most beloved students on campus and I'm sure this will be a fun/emotional game for him with his 4 year as the starting PG for the Stags and leading them through some ups-and downs and 3 SCIAC playoff finals. I think CMS wins a game and they take control late in the 1st half/early 2nd half

CMS wins 69-56

Redlands (5-8) @ Caltech (0-13)
Redlands should cruise after thier CLU win and stay withing shouting distance of the 4th seed

Redlands wins 71-57

Whittier (4-8) @ Oxy (5-8)
This is a must win for both teams to even sniff at the 4 seed. Both teams have been uneven all year and I have no clue what to expect. I think the home team prevails and knocks whittier out of contention.

Oxy wins 74-68

[Hoops_lover]

stag44 absolutely correct, GREAT GAMES today.

Whittier @ Oxy:
Tough loss Wednesday for Whittier.  I think Whittier wins by seven over Oxy.  Too much athleticism for Oxy as Chapman proved with their guards last Wednesday night.

Redlands @ Cal Tech:
Okay so Cal Tech got pulverized by the odds on favorite to win the conference (who was coming off a loss) BUT that doesn't mean they revert to the past Cal Tech history.  I still think the Beavers are going to get a win and this could be the game.  IMO, Redlands is to up and down.  Tight game with Cal Tech winning in OT.

La Verne @ CMS:
Big wins for La Verne over Whittier and CLU , but the win streak ends here.  I think it will be a battle, but CMS will win by 12.  Senior night congratulations to Pinson and Van Wart.  I thought Gaffaney is a senior too and if he is, congratulations to him also.  I've met Pinson and Gaffaney and they're both class acts (I'm sure Van Wart is too).

Pomona-Pitzer @ Chapman:
The game of the day.  PP will be hosting a 1st round game but against whom (CLU, Chapman or La Verne).  Chapman, with some help, can grab the 3rd spot IF they win out.  If Chapman had made their free throws in their first meeting, they would have won in regulation or the first OT.  We know Mc Andrews, Klewer, Cohen and Weiss will bring their "A" games.  Joyce has really stepped up his play for Chapman and Hamasaki, James and Zavrsnick have been outstanding especially lately.  I see it being the battle of the benches....not so much scoring, but how much of a drop off or uplift occurs when they give each team's starters a breather.  I think Chapman will prevail by five points.   

Good luck to all.