MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

scandihoovian · February 09, 2006, 01:53:09 PM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2006, 04:32:49 AM
Don't look now, SCIACers, but there's a solid chance that your league could sneak a second team into the big dance via the Pool C route -- in spite of the fact that only one SCIAC team (Occidental) currently ranks among the top hundred teams in D3 in the Quality of Wins Index list that Pat Coleman updates every two or three days...

And if a win over Oxy is part of a CMS run to the title, with the Stags finishing 13-1 in the SCIAC and Oxy going 12-2, the league's Pool A automatic bid goes to a team that would otherwise have no shot via Pool C (CMS) -- but Oxy would be sitting pretty in the Pool C sweepstakes with a 14-2 West Region record, a high QOWI, and probably a slot in the West Region rankings that'd range somewhere between third and fifth. With 18 Pool C slots available this March, I'd like the Tigers' chances under those conditions.

Well put Sager, I wasn't sure of the facts but I had a sneaking suspicion that this could happen. If both teams got in under this scenario would Oxy be seeded higher than CMS?

David Collinge · February 09, 2006, 02:05:41 PM

Quote from: scandihoovian on February 09, 2006, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2006, 04:32:49 AM
Don't look now, SCIACers, but there's a solid chance that your league could sneak a second team into the big dance via the Pool C route -- in spite of the fact that only one SCIAC team (Occidental) currently ranks among the top hundred teams in D3 in the Quality of Wins Index list that Pat Coleman updates every two or three days...

And if a win over Oxy is part of a CMS run to the title, with the Stags finishing 13-1 in the SCIAC and Oxy going 12-2, the league's Pool A automatic bid goes to a team that would otherwise have no shot via Pool C (CMS) -- but Oxy would be sitting pretty in the Pool C sweepstakes with a 14-2 West Region record, a high QOWI, and probably a slot in the West Region rankings that'd range somewhere between third and fifth. With 18 Pool C slots available this March, I'd like the Tigers' chances under those conditions.

Well put Sager, I wasn't sure of the facts but I had a sneaking suspicion that this could happen. If both teams got in under this scenario would Oxy be seeded higher than CMS?

The seeding would be dependent on the enumerated factors (in-region record, QoWI, record against other ranked teams, etc.) and could go either way, especially since they'd have split the head-to-head games.

But more to the point, since there'd be two SoCal teams in the draw (and perhaps three, if Chapman is able to sneak a Pool B), it's a lead-pipe cinch that there'd be first-round games at one site or the other. Remember, the NCAA is travel-cost-phobic, and they'd be positively giddy about the possibility of having two (or three) SoCal teams not flying.

I doubt even the NCAA would pair up CMS and Oxy in the first round, sending the winner to someplace like Puget Sound for a second round game. Therefore I'd anticipate one of these new-this-year first/second round quartets to be played either at CMS or Oxy, with Puget Sound (or other NWC rep) and Chapman or a Texas team filling out the draw.

So the question may not be "which is the higher seed?" so much as "which has the better facilities?" I've been to Oxy several times, and it's fine; and we know the NCAA agrees, since they sent Aurora out there a few years ago. I've not been to CMS; do they have tourney-appropriate facilities?

Stags4Life · February 09, 2006, 02:14:07 PM

hey, just wanted to say i enjoy the camraderie you oxy fans bring to this board, i wish all the sciac teams were as well represented

anyways, i was just wondering, what is the QoW1 thing you guys are talking about?

scandihoovian · February 09, 2006, 02:16:42 PM

QOWI is the Index that measures Quality of Wins.

As for the CMS facilities, I think the NCAA might encourage them to host up the street in the Rains Center.

David Collinge · February 09, 2006, 02:23:57 PM

Quote from: Stags4Life on February 09, 2006, 02:14:07 PM
anyways, i was just wondering, what is the QoW1 thing you guys are talking about?

As scandihoovian says, it's Quality of Wins Index. This is one of the factors enumerated by the NCAA in its selection process.

How to calculate QoWI (from the site FAQ.)

How the QoWI calculations figure into the selection process (from the Daily Dose.)

El Tigre · February 09, 2006, 02:44:55 PM

Quote from: Rick Vaughn on February 09, 2006, 12:51:12 PM
One question though. Did the CLU guys chant "Lets go outside" I thought I heard it, and if so, that is just plain bad.

Rick Vaughn,

Thanks for the support ... not going to lie but we have a great time at every game! Yes your Cal Lu guys did chant, "Let's go outside" but we exited on different sides of the gym. When we got outside they were standing out there in a group holding up their hands provoking us to fight I guess, but I knew it was their football team and I thought they just wanted to see our huge sparkling SCIAC Champion ship rings, which we were all wearing!!! To see look at Eye of da Tigers picture...

OXY Oswald · February 09, 2006, 03:28:23 PM

Quote from: Rick Vaughn on February 09, 2006, 12:51:12 PM
Man, maybe I am turning into a closet Oxy fan....nahhhh

Rick,

I haven't gotten a real sense of committment to any team in particular, are you a Cal Lu man or just a D3 Hoops fan?

We'd be glad to have you on our sideline.

Go Tigers!

WestCoastWhiner · February 09, 2006, 04:07:30 PM

The Board is ALIVE!!! Encouraging for us LTPs. Oxy's solid win at CLU (young but still part of the Big 3) has me wondering whether Oxy is turning the corner and going to get away from playing not to lose. Similarly, a good but close win by CMS has me wondering whether that was the first indication of some slight cheek tightening in Claremont.

Nothing will loosen Claremont up more than a female canine slap by Kats Saturday night. Hopefully Kats is going to stick with his 3 big guns and hasn't abandoned them because of their disappointing season. Those 3 have not lived up to the hype, but I wouldn't abandon them. They have done too much for the Program and PP can still force this thing into a 3-way tie. Keep riding your horses King.

I know Miles is having a great year and is justifiably being looked at by folks as the MVP, but don't expect Knowles to be scared of him. As Betty found out, there are enough good players in this conference that when people start talking about you being the man, everyone starts looking forward to guarding you and taking away what you do well. I like how Betty is now adjusting his game and exploiting the weaknesses the openings that are caused by the focus on him. His boards and assists are up. Oxy will be tough to beat if Oxy & Betty have figured that out.

Welcome to the front-runner seat Miles. May I introduce you to David Knowles. Mr. Knowles was the annointed best guard in the SCIAC coming into the year and he is glad that he gets a chance to play against the kid who took his throne.

Stags4Life · February 09, 2006, 05:25:34 PM

That sounds good and all, but in the Pomona-CMS game, Taylor and Knowles dont ever really compete against eachother. Knowles still might be the best guard in the SCIAC, but Miles Taylor is the best all-around player, probably tabbed a forward. Winterbottom will be guarding Knowles all night while Miles will be down low against Hollo and other Pomona big men.

--Stags4Life

David Collinge · February 09, 2006, 06:32:08 PM

The members of CoSIDA, the College Sports Information Directors of America, today have selected their Academic All-District Teams, sponsored by ESPN the Magazine. La Verne's Jason Greenlee (3.89, Accounting) was named to the First Team All-District, making him a nominee for Academic All-American. Named to the second team were Miles Taylor of Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (3.60, Economics) and Amir Mazarei of Redlands (3.44, Accounting). Congratulations to these outstanding scholar-athletes!

Men's Academic All-District Teams

OxyFan21 · February 09, 2006, 06:56:43 PM

El Tigre,
Did you say that there is a new sushi restaraunt next to Yellow Liquor? Wow, times have changed in just a few short years since I graduated.

I know there are now a whole bunch of new coffee houses and such...Jamba Juice, Starbucks, etc along Eagle Rock Blvd.

When I was there we had smog check places...ha. As long as The Capri, The Bucket, Troy's, Leo's tacotruck and OK Chinese are still there, I'm good.

Will I even recognize the place when I return to L.A.?

To all the football players who were at the game...did Cal Lu really use the "just like football" chant on you? That doesn't make sense...?

OXY Oswald · February 09, 2006, 07:28:56 PM

Quote from: OxyFan21 on February 09, 2006, 06:56:43 PM
Did you say that there is a new sushi restaraunt next to Yellow Liquor?
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As long as The Capri, The Bucket, Troy's, Leo's tacotruck and OK Chinese are still there, I'm good.
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To all the football players who were at the game...did Cal Lu really use the "just like football" chant on you? That doesn't make sense...?

There is and I've heard nothing but good things about it, high quality sushi and reasonable prices. And all your favortie restaraunts are still here, don't worry.

And no they didn't do the "Just like football chant," Oxy led that chant all the way home...

Sagecock · February 09, 2006, 08:00:44 PM

After watching the Cal Tech-PP game I've got nothing but love for those Techers. Having missed them last season due to being abroad, it was great seeing them field a team with actual athleticism, or as there website puts it:

"Caltech has always had a fine intercollegiate player, perhaps two, on the roster but never a plethora of riches in talent with formal interscholastic basketball background"

I'm suprised that they havn't won a game this year, if only due to the fact that someone HAS to have a bad game sometime. All the luck to the Beavers finishing SCIAC...who knows, maybe they'll take someone out this year...

Liger Hoops · February 10, 2006, 11:58:53 AM

What up SCIAC board? First time poster, long time reader. It's been great watching these boards get hotter and hotter these last few weeks.

OxyFan21-

As Oswald said, the favorites are still there but I'd suggest Dave's Chillin N' Grillin, right next to the Starbucks on Colorado. BEST sandwiches in town.

Sagecock-

I would say that those Techers have surprised many fans of the SCIAC, namely us Oxy fans after one of them (his name escapes me) put down 29 on our team! Does anyone know who they lose this year? It's so weird talking about if Cal-Tech loses anybody because it usually doesn't matter but like the Cock has already mentioned, the techers are due and I'm just hoping it comes against P-P or CMS and not my Tigers.

El Tigre · February 10, 2006, 01:29:47 PM

Quote from: OxyFan21 on February 09, 2006, 06:56:43 PM
Wow, times have changed in just a few short years since I graduated.

OxyFan21,
Yep ... like Oswald said I also have heard nothing, but good things. The rolls are large and really tasty. Things have been changing around here lately. Along with Jamba and Starbucks we also got a Cold Stones, a Quiznos, and a Rite Aid in the same area. If you want some book BBQ you can also go to Dante's ... I recommend their bbq chicken sandwich. Now if you go south on Eagle Rock Blvd there is a new Chinese food place called House of Joy! The food is a little high but the portion and food is worth it. Eagle rock is change for the better ... you might not recognize the new places, but all the favorites are right where you will remember!

Eat'em Up Tigers!