MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

Lord Chaos · February 21, 2006, 12:43:36 AM

i don't think thats true about cms, pp and oxy being diffrentiated by their last minute plays. in the past games, its been clear that cms has been the dominant team, seeing as it that they beat oxy by a fair margin. i do see that pp lost by 5 points in the last game, but they lost by a larger margin in the first stags vs p-p game in ducey. its probably tempting to say that all three are that close, but at the same time, i think that stats speak for themselves. plus, if u actually watched the games, like many of us did, it is quite clear that cms has been the strongest out of the three .

Lord Chaos · February 21, 2006, 12:54:31 AM

just so everyone knows, the stags beat laverne by 5 or something tonight.

dj_hyphen · February 21, 2006, 12:56:16 AM

i don't think Fosheezie is arguing that...CMS is clearly the class of the SCIAC this year...but to say they're head and shoulders ahead of Oxy or PP isn't really accurate. Granted, they blew out the Hens in the first match up, but if PP doesn't drop that horrible choke job at Whittier and Parsons doesn't get that loose ball and dunk it at Pomona, you never know man

with that said, congrats to the Stags...begrudgingly $:-\$

Lord Chaos · February 21, 2006, 01:04:43 AM

Quote from: fosheezie on February 21, 2006, 12:39:43 AM
But the difference between PP, Oxy, and CMS, is who gets the bounces or makes that one play at the end.

I made my point in response to that. I think its very clear that that was what he was arguing. I see what you are saying, and I agree with you, CMS isn't head and shoulders above oxy or pomona, but to say that they are better only by such a miniscule amount (as quote above) is incorrect. Oxy has Betty, PP has Knowles and Lloyd, but CMS has Miles Taylor, Mani Maceira, and John Parsons. That's hard to top.

sciacguru · February 21, 2006, 01:16:11 AM

Yes, CMS has the better TEAM this year and their record exemplifies that!!! But DJ hyphen is right, with saying that a few bounces in a different direction, CMS could easily be 2nd or 3rd. They do have 5 guys that all can shoot a little, dribble a little, pass, and make the fewest mistakes. They have 5 complete players. But they arent HEADS and SHOULDERS (or a miniscule amount) above Oxy and PP.....plus you forgot to mention PP's best player in Wexlor-Beron. That guy hit some unreal jump shots at CLU to keep the Kingsmen at bay on Saturday.

Just like Oxy when they went 14-0, they had some luck on their side to win it....you need it to win the SCIAC. Whether it be a bounce, or an injury....luck plays a part in winning titles.

Great win for the Kingsmen for their final home game in the HANGER!! Sergei's dunk was the last pts scored in the HOUSE!!

Lord Chaos · February 21, 2006, 01:26:07 AM

Quote from: sciacguru on February 21, 2006, 01:16:11 AM
a few bounces in a different direction, CMS could easily be 2nd or 3rd.

Lord Chaos · February 21, 2006, 01:31:19 AM

that is completely untrue. Ur right, luck does have an element in any sports game. a few bounces in a different direction could be said for any game! saying that alone is being a sore loser, and any athlete knows that. Additionally, consider this: the stags beat the sagehens twice, the first being with a fairly large margin. they lost to oxy the first timeby four points, that is true. but then they came back the next game and beat them by seven points, with mani maceira dunking in sam betty's and another defender's face. saying that a few bounces in a direction could place CMS in the second easily at that point is ridiculous. there is a point where luck ceases to be a factor, and CMS crossed that.

K.C. · February 21, 2006, 01:53:47 AM

What the heck happened at the Claremont - LaVerne game? I went to that game first tonight, but left early to check out the PP-Oxy second half. The reason I left early was that CMS was up 40 to 15! They were hitting all their shots, and LaVerne was stinking their gym up so bad you couldn't smell the new paint. I'd like to know if the Stags simply tanked the second half to squeak it out by 2, or LaVerne got red hot. Stags4Life or another poster who may have seen the whole game, please let me know.

The consolation of leaving that game early was that Oxy-PP was a great game. I'm not really partial to any particular team, but I was hoping Oxy would pull it out and save their shot at a possible playoff birth. Do you suppose their non-conference record could still get them in?

OXY Oswald · February 21, 2006, 02:10:47 AM

Outstanding game in Pomona tonight, unfortunately the Tigers didn't come out on top. The Tigers played great basketball, especially during the second half. Knowles three in the closing seconds of regulation was unreal. Great shot, though I thought his foot might have been on the line $:-\$ .

Thought the Tigers played well in the overtime period. Justin Zebb got control of a loose ball inside of the last minute of OT and attempted to call a time out, the ref called for a jump. It took an important possesion away from the Tigers.

Congrats to Claremont on the SCIAC title.

OXY Oswald · February 21, 2006, 02:11:23 AM

Pat -

What is Oxy's chance at still getting a bid to the tournament?

Lord Chaos · February 21, 2006, 02:13:59 AM

hey K.C, that was an insane game. ur right, the stags were killin La Verne, but the second half was just unreal. La Verne was doin everything right, they hit their shots, made their assists, got their boards, pretty much a perfect comeback. at the last point, it came down to the three pointers and Parsons' free throws, both of which were not successful. So the Stags held their lead, but it was definitely much too close.

Stags4Life · February 21, 2006, 02:17:22 AM

CMS defeated La Verne 71-69 at the Tents on Monday Night. The Stags jumped on the Leopards early building a 44-19 halftime lead. The Leopards then jumped on the Stags closing the gap to 4 with 8 min left. The game was back and forth from them on, but whenever CMS needed a big shot, Miles Taylor got it for them. The refereeing was terrible down the stretch as one ref(the bald one) clearly tried to make every call and every one of those calls benefited La Verne. CMS never trailed the entire game and once again their great defense pulled it out for them in the end. Miles Taylor finished with 23 points and 9 rebounds on 8-12 FG and 7-7 FT. I think it's clear who is the MVP of the SCIAC.

As to how La Verne came back, they just brought more energy in the second half after getting slaughtered in the first. They actually appeared to have a defense and they hit quite a few threes with hand in face. Senior Guard, Adrian Ferrera hit 3 huge threes after only having 3 of them the entire year. Also, seniors Chris Jackson and Bryan Mallon were big in the second half. Jason Greenlee was practically nonexistant smothered by the Stag Defense.

The Stags pulled out a narrow victory but their victory did win them the SCIAC Championship outright, not the Oxy loss. And I do believe that CMS is clearly the better team in the SCIAC this year and I also think this is more apparent this year than in previous years. CMS had some blowouts and they had some close games but they always finished and it was not because of good luck. CMS did not choke to teams like Whittier, La Verne, and Redlands; CMS took care of business all year and thats why they are the SCIAC Champions, not because a few bounces went their way. CMS has the best defense I have seen in the SCIAC in years and it should yield them sucess in the upcoming tournament and hopefully some national respect.

Congrats to the 2006 SCIAC Champion Stags!

--Stags4Life

Lord Chaos · February 21, 2006, 02:21:06 AM

THANK YOU Stags4Life. I'm gonna have to say a big resounding I AGREE.
LETS GO SCIAC 2006 CHAMPIONS CMS STAGS!

K.C. · February 21, 2006, 02:28:50 AM

Thanks. guys. Wish I could have been in two places at once.

Stags4Life · February 21, 2006, 02:47:31 AM

Oh My God, I just read this: http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=46789

Whittier did not deserve to win that game. If that Caltech center woulda made his other free throw or perhaps Caltech's two best players would not have fouled out with 3 min left in regulation, then Caltech might have won. Wow, I was sure rooting for Carlson and Ivy to get this win and I am kind of dissapointed they will probably graduate without a SCIAC win, they are two hard working basketball players and deserve respect. Carlson should make one of the all-SCIAC teams, but its a shame to see that Caltech might not have as good of a chance to win next year without their two best players, Carlson and Ivy.

--Stags4Life