MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[LookinForFort]

Whats up doods, im a newcomer to the board representing the very underrepresented CMS stags.  Speaking of which looks like they are off to a solid 4-0 start which might suprise a lot of people but they have a very solid team that without a doubt has one of the best defenses around. That defense allows the stags a chance to be in every game, even if they have a cold shooting night.  Ill be at the games when they come to the bay this weekend and will report back on what i expect to be a good road trip. 

[dawg gone it]

The UR website had the scores posted of the current games but  for some reason they were missing when I tried to look them up.  I believe that at least 2 teams scored well over 100 points on them.  It isnt hard to figure out that ....defense ...or the lack of it, is the problem.  and Bob, I havent seen them this year but have in the past. I am familiar with their scheme and it would not be the one I would choose but, I am not the coach. 

According to your posts, I guess you are the only one who has any knowledge on the subject.  Want to know where I played?....use your google abilities and you will find the answer.   

[castle]

Been away from the board for awhile, a man it is good to be back.  I wanted to mention a nice performance in Maui by CLU.  Going 2-1, with W's over Alvernia and L&C with a loss to Whitworth mixed in.  So far, sciac is 3-3 vs. nwc this year.  UPS plays at LV and Whittier, and CLU has games with Pacific and Williamette.  Hopefully PP can shock Wooster on the 18th, but that seems like a real long shot.  A win over Puget or Wooster could pay help out come tourny time.

Can't wait until OXY, PP and CMS all come to the new gym within a 12-day span in late Jan.

[Redlands Rick]

Dawg,

Since you claim to have both played  and coached, and since you claim to be familiar with this scheme as run by Redlands, I had hoped that you  or someone else that knows this system would attempt to answer some legitimate questions I raised connected to in-game adjustments.

Any takers?

RR

[dawg gone it]

RR,

Not yet...it's impossible to answer your questions until I see the team play and see the personnel.  I know the scheme they run but havnt seen the kids who do it other than Amiaziri (sp?) Sorry, I know I butchered his anme but the website was down.  He is a kid from the Thousnad Oaks area whree I live and he played on a T.O travel ball team.  My son played on a younger team and I saw him play at that level and a few games in hs.  Good shooter.

Just looking at the box scores only tells you so much.  It is obvious that defense is not a part of the scheme.  Kind of the the Dallas Mavericks of the past few years...all O and no D.  LMU used to play a similar style of ball but they did play pressure defense of some sort.  It is my personal opinion that you cant win on a consistent basis without playing D.  It is easier for a player to play good D than O...it takes less basketball skill, by that I mean ball handling, shooting touch etc.  Move your feet, box out and stick with your man or zone assignment and you can be successful.

In many fast paced offenses, there are very few plays, more quick cuts, screens and pushing the ball to the hoop or kick outs off the drive.  Again, without actually seeing UR play I really dont know their exact scheme.  I know its run and gun offense from an ex industiral league teammate, Mike Hornbuckle who played at UR and from a good friend who played at CLU and now coaches at Crespi.

What I was trying to say in my earlier post is that warm ups mean very little.  Look for form and touch as opposed to results and you will find the best shooters, not necessarily the best players.  That was always my problem

I plan on seeing a UR game in the next week or so.  I live near CLU  and plan to catch a few of their games soon also. 

Obviously, these are my opinions and I am not professing them to be the only way to play the game....I think if you go back and look at most good or great teams they all had great scorers...but they also played defense. 

Of course according to OB, I just rant and know nothing. 

[Browneagle64]

Another tough lost to a strong opponent for the Boys in orange and Black. Eventhough the tigers were facing a bigger and stronger team, it looks like turnovers tamed them. In addition, defense came back to haunt the boys in the first half as Cal Poly made 59 percent of its first-half floor shots and bolted to a 51-30 lead at the break. .

Occidental did manage to connect on 53.3 percent of its floor shots but took 14 fewer shots than Cal Poly. The Mustangs shot better from the floor -- 49.2 percent -- than from the line -- 45.8 percent. In all, the boys hung in to not get burnt.

Again, i hope that the tigers learn from these bigger and talent opponents. Because when SCIAC play opens up, its a whole different b-ball game.

[Browneagle64]

Rick,

This shooting system is evil for the stat recorders. At the end of the game i can assure you and atest that you will end up getting corpal tunnel after trying to punch in every freaken score. I did the stat keeping and recording for an Oxy-Redlands game as an undergrad and boy did i hate the freak show.

[LookinForFort]

Let be honest here, the redlands sysytem isnt designed to win basketball games, it designed to put up ridiculous numbers and national scoring records.  This should be evident by anyone who has ever been in the redlands gym seeing as the scoring record banners are bigger than any championship banner outside of the ones the hang in the NBA.  If this were a recipe for success we would see more teams in college running this system, and the reason we dont is because other colleges dont care about scoring records.  The real shame is that there are guys at redlands that are good all around basketball players and dont get to show that because they are stuck in a system that jacks up 35 footers and plays a gimic defense.  So unless Mazeri is going to go crazy and drop 50+ a game like he did at the rock, Redlands will not be in the SCIAC race, simple.

[scandihoovian]

RR-

I am not sure if this answers your question, but here's my understanding of some of the key principles of the system that are related to your questions:

-it's more about volume of shots (and taking shots quickly) than it is about working for a "quality" shot
-The press is supposed to either quickly create a turnover or give up a quick layup opportunity - then you get the ball back and try to trade 3 for 2
-I originally thought that all five on the floor were cleared to fire away, but in recent years it seems like there are "designated shooters"
-I have seen players continue to jack up three pointers even after missing everything three straight times

[Sabretooth Tiger]

The real shame is that there are guys at redlands that are good all around basketball players and dont get to show that because they are stuck in a system that jacks up 35 footers and plays a gimic defense. 

I don't think anyone should be feeling sorry for the kids playing at Redlands.  The "system" and coach have been there long enough that anyone looking at Redlands knew exactly the environment and program into which they would be stepping.

tooth

[Browneagle64]

With the return of Zebb and Alexander I hope that the tigers can get back into the W column. The tigers cannot rely on Whitman and betty alone in scoring duties. Yet, I still have high hope in seeing kostic, pitcher and conti come out of their slump and produce like they did a week ago against La Sierra. If these 8 guys and the Oxy bench can produce early leads and stay out on top, I can assure you that the tigers will be roaring. Good thing Oxy still has a consistant D so far-(at least against Non-D 1 schools that is)

[DIIIghetto]

OB hits it on the head about the GS system.  Haven't we discussed that topic way, way too much.  Good to have a CMS fan showing up.  With PP back, I suspect our PP fans will be back too.  That gives us the Big 3 & Oxy here which if we are able to keep the meaningless GS system posts to a minimum, could make for a good year or ribbing, information sharing, and ultimately interesting reading.   The only posts I care to read about Redlands, until they do something, is how homie dropped 90 on the Tiger backcourt at the Rock.  Did anyone get a picture of him holding up a card with 90 scrawled on it after the game?

Rumor has it that Kats has brought in the hoops equivalent to Andy Collins.  For those of you who don't understand the implications of that analogy, Andy Collins is a D1 transfer will go down as arguably the best SCIAC football player ever.  I would think that Betty will have something to say about that before the year, as well as some dudes across campus in Claremont and I think we will all benefit from some tough, tough games.  As I said earlier, I'm sticking with Kats and like his chances to raise another banner.

[RFB]

OB hits it on the head about the GS system.  Haven't we discussed that topic way, way too much.  Good to have a CMS fan showing up.  With PP back, I suspect our PP fans will be back too.  That gives us the Big 3 & Oxy here which if we are able to keep the meaningless GS system posts to a minimum, could make for a good year or ribbing, information sharing, and ultimately interesting reading.   The only posts I care to read about Redlands, until they do something, is how homie dropped 90 on the Tiger backcourt at the Rock.  Did anyone get a picture of him holding up a card with 90 scrawled on it after the game?

Rumor has it that Kats has brought in the hoops equivalent to Andy Collins.  For those of you who don't understand the implications of that analogy, Andy Collins is a D1 transfer will go down as arguably the best SCIAC football player ever.  I would think that Betty will have something to say about that before the year, as well as some dudes across campus in Claremont and I think we will all benefit from some tough, tough games.  As I said earlier, I'm sticking with Kats and like his chances to raise another banner.

Andy Collins the best ever? While I agree that he is an amazing talent I would disagree about the best ever. Last time I checked Danny Ragsdale from Redlands won the DIII Heisman(Gagliardi Trophy) in 1999. Andy Collins is not even a finalist. Collins had a great career but I feel that not even him or Ragsdale was the best ever. My vote goes to Anthony Rice from La Verne.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Excellent . . . let's evolve to a total football discussion since we haven't been given a good forum for that . . . 

And if we want to talk about all time football greats, I think that we have to consider Occidental's Jack Kemp and Vance Mueller as candidates given their post collegiate pro careers.

aloha bruddahs

tooth

[RFB]

Excellent . . . let's evolve to a total football discussion since we haven't been given a good forum for that . . . 

And if we want to talk about all time football greats, I think that we have to consider Occidental's Jack Kemp and Vance Mueller as candidates given their post collegiate pro careers.

aloha bruddahs

tooth

Tooth,

It's just one post. No need to get your panties all in a bunch. I do agree about Kemp and Mueller. So many great players over the years.