MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[diehardfan]

Oh dear God, make it stop.... 

You'd think with the interesting league race right now we could be debating who might finish on top, or possibly how people see Wednesdays games playing out... but noo....

Gray Fox... athletics programs have different priorities, as driven by the alumni base, tradition, etc. Wheaton has a top swimming, football and basketball program... but our baseball team royally stinks. We actually have a tiered system for allocation of funding in our athletic program, with the bottom tiers hardly getting any money at all. Other schools are known for baseball... if you guys are going to discus this topic to death, can we at least stick to resonable logical fact based stuff? OxyBob and the Oxy coach are probably in better positions to know what the priorities are of Oxy's athletic programs than we are. All I know is that the Oxy official basketball website is seriously lacking info... whether or not that reflects the athletics department's or the institution's commitments to basketball, I don't know.

And so, uh, I think the Oxy-Redlands game on Wednesday could be really interesting... if I feel like braving the 1.5 hr drive (that's without traffic) on a worknight, I just might have to catch that one.

[UPSoundLogs]

OxyBobby,

"First of all, it's the past 4 seasons, not five. Second, during that period the SCIAC is 4-5 in the NCAA tournament, and the NWC is 5-4. Yeah, your conference is killing us with all of your success."-OB

I think you may have mis-understood me, I said tourney SUCCESS!!!  As in, advancing through the tournament into further rounds.  Although it is a very interesting statistic, I don't really care about the overall record of the SCIAC's first round exits over the past 5 years.  

AND...in my previous post I was actually trying to defend Oxy's team from last year, I thought they were good.  It's ok that they weren't quite as good as Whitworth, because WW was very good as well.  I don't really look at it from a... who lost to UPS by how many equation.  All that shows is that UPS was better than both of them.  I was looking at each teams players and the overall talent of each team, WW had the edge.  Plus it is just my opinion, no need to ruffle your tailfeathers .  

DHF-
I apoligize for stopping by to put in my two cents, I'll make my way back over to the NWC board now .  It's just a little slow over there that's all.  

[Gray Fox]

Gray Fox... athletics programs have different priorities, as driven by the alumni base, tradition, etc. Wheaton has a top swimming, football and basketball program... but our baseball team royally stinks. We actually have a tiered system for allocation of funding in our athletic program, with the bottom tiers hardly getting any money at all. Other schools are known for baseball... if you guys are going to discus this topic to death, can we at least stick to reasonable logical fact based stuff? OxyBob and the Oxy coach are probably in better positions to know what the priorities are of Oxy's athletic programs than we are. All I know is that the Oxy official basketball website is seriously lacking info... whether or not that reflects the athletics department's or the institution's commitments to basketball, I don't know.

Actually, I think the football teams in the SCIAC have to travel to get enough games.  It would be good for the basketball teams to be able to do that more.  But they get enough snowbirds to fill out their schedules. The main problem is the lack of playing in the very hostile gyms at some places.

[Gilbert McFinnegan]

Oh dear God, make it stop.... 

You'd think with the interesting league race right now we could be debating who might finish on top, or possibly how people see Wednesdays games playing out... but noo....

I knew it would not take long for a Hall of Famer to step in and belittle our madness.  Is it an unwritten rule to start discussions that may involve a little lively debate in which some people may want to advocate for the conference/team they follow most closely?  I could see if we were at issue and just speaking nonsense, but it seems like most are sticking to the facts.  Maybe, I will learn once I hit my 5,000 post or so....if I do not get my account shut down first.  Go ahead....bring on the negative karma.....

First of all, it's the past 4 seasons, not five. Second, during that period the SCIAC is 4-5 in the NCAA tournament, and the NWC is 5-4. Yeah, your conference is killing us with all of your success.

OxyBob-

Before the topic gets completely stomped out I think the first round byes need to be considered in the tourney records; the NWC has gotten one each of the past 3 years.  A better way might want to look at the depth in the tournament each conference has gone.

NWC- First Round Loss; Sweet 16; Sweet 16; Elite 8

SCIAC: Elite 8; Second Round Loss; First Round Loss; First & Second Round Loss

There is some significance there.

NortwesternGil

[DIIIghetto]

All I know is that the Oxy official basketball website is seriously lacking info... whether or not that reflects the athletics department's or the institution's commitments to basketball, I don't know.

And the scary thing is I think Oxy BB has about the best Website in the conference. 

I'll leave you seagulls alone.  It was all I could do to poke some fun at you guys for coming down and playing LV, CT & Whittier.  Outside of that, while your hoop teams haven't displayed the dominance over us that your football teams have, you still have shown that you are the superior conference at the top.  Granted, no thanks to Whitworth for that (look... another cracker).   

UPS should have tried to schedule Redlands every single year.  I think that a couple of those tough UPS teams could have broken the 200 point barrier against them. 

[Gray Fox]

ghetto,
There is a preview button.  Your post is confusing.  Some of the quotes were wrong.

[tigersports]

Diehard, no need to make that drive when Tigersports will provide its "words-eye-view" at www.oxybroadcast.com! 

[diehardfan]

DHF-
I apologize for stopping by to put in my two cents, I'll make my way back over to the NWC board now .  It's just a little slow over there that's all. 

I actually think it's a very positive thing for posters to "travel" from board to board to gain perspective about the regional and national scenes... so I would vastly prefer if you didn't just stick to your own board. Heck, I live here, but this isn't really my own board either! I just would like it if everyone at least pretended that they wanted to play nice.

I knew it would not take long for a Hall of Famer to step in and belittle our madness.  Is it an unwritten rule to start discussions that may involve a little lively debate in which some people may want to advocate for the conference/team they follow most closely?  I could see if we were at issue and just speaking nonsense, but it seems like most are sticking to the facts.  Maybe, I will learn once I hit my 5,000 post or so....if I do not get my account shut down first.  Go ahead....bring on the negative karma.....

Sticking to the facts is one thing, doing it into a derogatory manner that makes it very quickly digress into name calling is another thing. That's not sticking to the facts. A "sticking to the facts" post would not be emotionally charged. I can tell you have some latent animosity toward HOFers, so let me assure you that I am by far the most silly of them all. A HOFer stepchild if you will. However, as the resident female, I like to step in every so often and strongly encourage the testosterone to back off to a dull roar so that some serious, interesting debate can take place. Obviously I usually fail, but that doesn't keep me from trying. I'm stubborn like that.

Oh well, if nothing else, at least all the seagull analogies are making me laugh. 

Actually, I think the football teams in the SCIAC have to travel to get enough games.  It would be good for the basketball teams to be able to do that more.  But they get enough snowbirds to fill out their schedules. The main problem is the lack of playing in the very hostile gyms at some places.

That makes sense. The snowbird trips, and the recent expansion of the "in region rule" definition has greatly helped things for this area. The fact that people who are regularly ranked in the Top 25 come out here gives the league attention nationally. When the top team in the conference plays a team like St. Thomas tough (St. Thomas is probably ranked a little high, but a Top 15 team at least) its a credit to this league. Playing tougher teams will also do a lot to help the teams out here gauge how far they have to improve to make it to Salem. I do agree that getting to more gyms would help teams in terms of preparing for tournament play. However, I certainly can't make the college administrations invest more money in their athletic departments.

[diehardfan]

Diehard, no need to make that drive when Tigersports will provide its "words-eye-view" at www.oxybroadcast.com! 

As good as your broadcast may be, there's just no substitute to seeing a game live... and you know it.

DIII ghetto, I'll fix your post so it doesn't look like GreyFox said things he didn't... this whole quoting thing can be confusing... the only reason I've figured it out is because I've posted so dang many times.

[Gray Fox]

DIII ghetto, I'll fix your post so it doesn't look like GreyFox said things he didn't... this whole quoting thing can be confusing... the only reason I've figured it out is because I've posted so dang many times.

Thank you.  I guess ghetto doesn't have preview power yet.

[David Collinge]

I can tell you have some latent animosity toward HOFers, so let me assure you that I am by far the most silly of them all.

You wouldn't care to put that to a vote, would you? 

[DIIIghetto]

Living in the DIII hood, it is amazing I have a computer at all...

But luckily for me, I get plenty of Saltines.  GF, a winter trip to the NW would force our teams to buy not only plane tickets but also rain gear.   Besides, why trip to Tacoma in December when we have to go back there in February? 

Maybe you can talk PP or CMS into a road trip.  They have funds and pull recruits from the NW.  I doubt Oxy would  bump Utah State, UNLV, USC, Cal St. SLO for a trip to Ptown or the Emerald City short of a game with D1 to pay for it.  I'm not sure what Redlands, Whittier or Cal Lu would get out of the trip. 

I'm just glad that Jason Lowery still is another year away from competing for your conference title.  If it had been this year, they might have tried to lure him down to Redlands next year.   Someone like him at a school where the Admin is not ignorant of what it takes to win would definitely threaten to upset the SCIAC power structure.

[diehardfan]

Living in the DIII hood, it is amazing I have a computer at all...

That would be Eagle Rock, right? (grins at tigersports) 

[bucs77]

I think down in SoCAL you guys have been watching too many laguna beach re-runs.    Back on topic, I hope that Coach Hayford at Whitworth or Lunt from UPS can send you the magic handbook on traveling to play good non conference opponents.  Hmmmm.....   I just did my research and talked with members of both OXY and Whitworth's athletic dept.  UH OH! oxy has a bigger budget.  And WW somehow goes to Hawaii, Chicago, LA and all the conference games in oregon.  WOW  what a mystery.   seems like its not a matter of money when you truly get down to it.  Sucks to be in the SCIAC when you know you're coming up here just to go down.

[pineconefan]

"Sticking to the facts is one thing, doing it into a derogatory manner that makes it very quickly digress into name calling is another thing." - DHF

That seems like an OB specialty.