MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Browneagle64]

Congrats to the hens on their win against the dawgs. Sounds like Mr. Knowles found his rythm again and is clearly leading by example in getting his teammates to fight hard and win. If they keep this up i am sure they will bounce CMS out of the top of the SCIAC and will face it off with Oxy come March/April.

[diehardfan]

Front page props for the SCIAC and Redlands! Woo!

http://www.d3hoops.com/

His 5'11" roster height may be smaller than my 5'9" actual height*, but Mazarei sure is fun to watch shoot! I think the real question on everyone's minds is.... will he hit 3000 before the end of the season??

*(Ironically, was a 5"11" roster height too back when I played in HS.... silly coaches that make this stuff up... as if the opposing team is ever actually fooled )

[TeeDub]

That's a great picture of Mazarei on the front page.

Here's another face shot of the Redlands sharpshooter:

http://www.nihtraining.com/ctn/confidentiality/images/pixelface.jpg

OxyBob

We're still trying to keep him a secret...

[Pat Coleman]

That was the best of the ones they had on the site. Did kinda look a little like 2002 all over again to me.

[TeeDub]

Oxy moves up to #14 in the polls (congrats)...I'm surprised that Cal Lutheran isn't even getting any votes...

[Pat Coleman]

If they're going to lose to Chapman, Pacific and Willamette then they should try to follow that with a win against Occidental if they want to get votes.

[sciacguru]

Jordis Rocks:

I have seen Cal Lutheran play 5 times. I'm not at all surprised the Kingsmen don't have any Top 25 votes. I'm surprised they're 7-1 in the conference.

OxyBob

I too agree that CLU is not deserving of votes.  But we all know your observational skills are weak at best, OxyBob.  Your report on the CLU/CMS game was way off.  And when you tried to substantiate your responses....well they were wrong as well.

And this discussion of CLU receiving votes was based upon Redlands receiving votes last week.  Now my argument, as well as Jordis, was to find out why Redlands was receiving votes rather than CLU.  Granted, UR did beat Oxy, but CLU did beat UR....by 45 pts on their home court.

I believe Oxy is a talented team and probably deserving of being in the top 25, but I truly feel the top 25 rankings are skewed.  Lets start with Oxy.  Outside of St Thomas, who have the Tigers played at the D3 level that really is any good?  Their 2 toughest D3 games outside of SCIAC are Wisconsin Lutheran and Williams...both .500 teams.

Next team....Aurora.  Does their schedule really grant them their position in the top 25?

If you were to break down the QOWI or strength of schedule for the top 25, would it be the same as the votes?  Probably not.  I would love to see that breakdown.

[TeeDub]

If they're going to lose to Chapman, Pacific and Willamette then they should try to follow that with a win against Occidental if they want to get votes.

Good point...but let's take a look at Puget Sound for a moment...OT win against Chapman, losses to Pacific and Willamette...now I know those teams are not necessarily the measuring stick, but since you referenced them...

[sciacguru]

If they're going to lose to Chapman, Pacific and Willamette then they should try to follow that with a win against Occidental if they want to get votes.

Good point...but let's take a look at Puget Sound for a moment...OT win against Chapman, losses to Pacific and Willamette...now I know those teams are not necessarily the measuring stick, but since you referenced them...

And how do the wins over Lewis and Clark, Alvernia (front page), and Messiah rank?

[Pat Coleman]

If they're going to lose to Chapman, Pacific and Willamette then they should try to follow that with a win against Occidental if they want to get votes.

Good point...but let's take a look at Puget Sound for a moment...OT win against Chapman, losses to Pacific and Willamette...now I know those teams are not necessarily the measuring stick, but since you referenced them...

Yet they beat Chapman, where CLU did not, and they beat Whitworth, which would've been the equivalent of CLU beating Occidental.

And how do the wins over Lewis and Clark, Alvernia (front page), and Messiah rank?

Count how many votes they have combined and do the math. Is the front page some magic wand that turns a team into a ranked opponent?

[TeeDub]

If they're going to lose to Chapman, Pacific and Willamette then they should try to follow that with a win against Occidental if they want to get votes.

Good point...but let's take a look at Puget Sound for a moment...OT win against Chapman, losses to Pacific and Willamette...now I know those teams are not necessarily the measuring stick, but since you referenced them...

Yet they beat Chapman, where CLU did not, and they beat Whitworth, which would've been the equivalent of CLU beating Occidental.

And Whitworth lost to Lewis and Clark, who Cal Lu beat....yes, UPS beat Whitworth, but I have a little issue with Whitworth as well.  Whitworth did have the early season win over Wheaton (and I do appreciate the value of that win on the road even though Wheaton was probably ranked a little high at the time), other than that, what has WW done to be ranked so high...?

It's all just discussion, but I was merely asking why Cal Lu wouldn't even garner any consideration...ultimately, I guess it comes down to 'opinion'.  I just think comparatively speaking to some of the ranked teams, Cal Lu has done what they need to do of late.

[scandihoovian]

And how do the wins over Lewis and Clark, Alvernia (front page), and Messiah rank?

Count how many votes they have combined and do the math. Is the front page some magic wand that turns a team into a ranked opponent?

I am no different than anyone else on this board as far as arguing for top 25 votes for the Kingsmen.  If I was a top 25 voter I wouldn't include them on my ballot either at this point.  But Pat, I don't think that Guru is arguing for top 25 votes, just some  consideration for CLU as a possible pool C team.  The front page article on Alvernia posits that they will be in the running for a Pool C bid if they continue to play well, why would the same situation not apply to CLU if they finish the season strongly? (especially since CLU beat Alvernia early in the season)

I know it might be an issue of regional strength and the number of pool C bids available in the west - and I know it's still early and the Kingsmen still can control their own destiny by getting hot and winning out.  No easy task, especially with Oxy, PP, and CMS on the road, but it will make for a great second half of the season.

[sciacguru]

Count how many votes they have combined and do the math. Is the front page some magic wand that turns a team into a ranked opponent?

Whoaaaaaaaaa Nellieeeeeeeeeee!  Hold the horses!! No need to get defensive and snippy!  You are holding a grudge similar to OxyBob with the CMS student body....calling his beloved alma mater a "Safety School."

At no time did I turn Alvernia into a ranked opponent.  At no time did I make reference to Alvernia even sniffing the Top 25.  I just asked a simple question.......

And how do the wins over Lewis and Clark, Alvernia (front page), and Messiah rank?

Like Scandi said....if Alvernia is on its way to a Pool C bid (possibly, maybe, if and only if, etc...), where does CLU fall with their wins over the above mentioned schools since they have beaten Alvernia.

I am glad Oxy is in the top 25, I am happy to see that Redlands is getting votes.  It is good to see the SCIAC get some pub on the front page and in the voting.....top 25 or other.  I just thought I would humbly ask you HOFers for your D3hoops worldy insight. I thought the message board was created for this type of discussion. 

[Pat Coleman]

Those wins don't counteract the losses, nor do they have the value of a potential win against Occidental. But we know that, right? Did I really need to spell that out for you?

And I agree Whitworth is too high, but I only get one ballot.

[pineconefan]

Pat, you may only get one ballot, but I am sure your campaigning carries weight...