MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Former Player/ Former Coach]

This is how it is printed exactly in the '07 Handbook.

championships):
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
• Quality-of-Wins-Index (only contests versus regional competition)
Win on the road versus a team at or above .667
15 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .667
14 points
Win on the road versus a team at or above .500, but below .667
13 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .500, but below .667
12 points
Win on the road versus a team at or above .333, but below .500
11 points
Win at home versus a team at or above .333, but below .500
10 points
Win on the road versus a team below .333
9 points
Win at home versus a team below .333
8 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .667
7 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .667
6 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .500, but below .667
5 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .500, but below .667
4 points
Loss on the road versus a team at or above .333, but below .500
3 points
Loss at home versus a team at or above .333, but below .500
2 points
Loss on the road versus a team below .333
1 point
Loss at home versus a team below .333
0 pointsThe Quality-of-Wins-Index is calculated by adding the total number of points and dividing by the number of games.
A neutral game is defined as being in neither team's locale and, as such, is awarded as if it were an away game.
The Quality-of-Wins-Index is calculated for ratings at the time of the ranking calls and using final results for selection purposes.
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results vs. common regional opponents.
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams
Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the ranking/selection process only.
Conference postseason contest(s) is included.
Contest versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.
Secondary Criteria. For ranking and selection:
• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III won-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non-Division III opponents.
• Results versus Division III teams ranked in other regions.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common out-of-region opponents.
• Overall Division III Quality of Wins.

[Sabretooth Tiger]

My Projected West Rankings:

1)   Stevens Point
2)   St Thomas
3)   St Johns
4)   Whitworth
5)   Occidental
6)   Oshkosh
7)   Puget Sound

The next one: Redlands

Sorry guys, you QOWI really stinks!

First regional rankings have just been posted.  DHF, nearly a clean sweep . . . well done!

West Region
1 UW-Stevens Point 18-2 17-1
2 St. Thomas 18-2 18-2
3 St. John's 16-5 16-2
4 Whitworth 18-2 15-2
5 Occidental 14-4 9-2
6 UW-Oshkosh 18-4 15-4
7 Loras 15-5 13-3
8 Puget Sound 16-4 13-3

[diehardfan]

First regional rankings have just been posted.  DHF, nearly a clean sweep . . . well done!

It's pretty easy, once you know what the criteria are and have the data in front of you.... I'm trained to be analytical... thanks to my d3 science education I'm an analytical machine that I think basically still managed to maintain "some" of her quirkyness in the process. I love small college education! 

The only curve was that apparently there are more spots in in the rankings.... that's probably because a few more UMAC schools are further down their provisional status or no longer provisional.

It's really important to know how the committee in a particular region thinks, each region weighs the set of criteria slightly differently (you'll note how there's no numerical order to how they are picked so it's a little bit an art in addition to stats ). Some favor the QOWI faithfully, some are sticklers for the In-region win percent. Eventually I'll learn to feel out the West region committee better. The West's committee, in my opinion, was actually very insightful to stick Loras in there though it surprised me a bit. Someone from the IIAC has to make the tourney, and they have had a few decent teams of late. Their QOWI is better than Redlands, and Loras has a win over UW-Lax whereas Oshkosh has lost to Redlands twice. Anyhow, I think the better you understand the regional rankings, the more evident it becomes that the very few games that Oxy and Redlands have in region (but out of conference) hurt them in the selection process. All of the top four teams have 18+ regional games for the committee to look at, whereas Oxy and Redlands both only have 11. 

[diehardfan]

I have no problem with the regional rankings aside from the continued absurdity that the NCAA considers teams from Wisconsin and Minnesota to be in the west.

OxyBob

I agree. It's sorta silly. But in order to change things we're going to have to pack it in tighter with tons and tons of people in western Colorado and wyoming and.... hmmm, never mind. There's just too much open space between the midwest and the west coast where d3 schools pop up again.... and it's better that way.

I personally think it's almost more absurd that some schools from Illinois and Wisconsin are in the midwest, and others are in the West. 

[Pat Coleman]

I have no problem with the regional rankings aside from the continued absurdity that the NCAA considers teams from Wisconsin and Minnesota to be in the west.

Well, get more west coast teams then. They are the westernmost 50-some teams. You can't have an entire region of 25 teams. Then your regional rankings would have four teams in them.

[sciac_is_fun]

95-85 Kingsmen  1:15 to go.

[sciac_is_fun]

CLU 97 Redlands 90  Final

Kingsmen D is strong again -- I'm pretty sure Redlands had a total of 12 threes for the game.

[sciac_is_fun]

CMS 68 Oxy 51  !!!

(Someone confirm this please)

[Stags4Life]

Confirmed.  OXY cannot win in our house.  It did not help that Connor Whitman came into Ducey running his mouth. 

[tigersports]

Whose house?  Yeah, the place is about as big as my house, but I bet there are more people at my house right now than were at the game.

[stag44]

does it really matter who is in the stands or who won?

[scandihoovian]

I'm surprised at the news from Claremont - not so much that the Stags pulled out a victory, but more that it looks like they did it in convincing fashion.  I'd love to hear from anybody who can shed light on the keys to the large margin of victory for CMS...

The CLU-Redlands game was an exciting one.  It was my first chance to see the Bulldogs play this year, and they appear to have made a number of tweaks to the system.  Gone are the days when anyone who was in bounds had the green light - they also seemed much more focused on rebounding, they had a number of key baskets on put backs.  They are also a lot less willing to give up the quick layup in order to get the ball back.  Their defense under the basket was much more tenacious than in recent years.  Now that I've seen them play it's easier to understand the success they've had this year.

For their part, the Kingsmen did a great job of staying with Redlands' shooters.  CLU did not take a shot outside 6-8 feet themselves all night.  Their discipline on both ends was impressive  - their consistency (and a nice run of made FT's by Andy Meier) helped them pull ahead in the final minutes.

[Hoopsallthetime]

Whose house?  Yeah, the place is about as big as my house, but I bet there are more people at my house right now than were at the game.

First I am going to start of with Tigersports. I don't know if you were at the game, and I am thinking you were probably not. So I am going to shed some light into that little dark tunnel you call your life. Probably the reason why there wasn't very many people at the game last night was due to the death of one of our football players named William Wagner who died at the age of 20 the night before. Here's whats on the Mckenna website.

"William died in the early morning hours at Doctors Hospital Montclair, where he was taken by paramedics after collapsing in his room. According to the San Bernardino County Coroner's Office, his death was the result of a cerebral aneurysm."

I guess our house may not be that big in regards to size, but when it comes to compassion I say we are at the top of our league. That is all I have to say to you. No wait, I do have one more thing to say. Your team got spanked last night, and if you can pass on something to Connor Whittman from everyone who loves the Stag basketball program. "Please keep running your mouth and getting our guys going, because everytime you start opening your mouth and telling our team you are going to spank us this year and the next, all we do is kick your butt." Last night showed it. Connors going to find out real quick how hard it is to win next year without the likes of BETTY, MILLS, ZEBB, & KOSTIC.  By the way for everyone who might not no already in tigerland, the Stags bring everyone back next year except our captain Coury Clemons. Enough said!!!


"I'm surprised at the news from Claremont - not so much that the Stags pulled out a victory, but more that it looks like they did it in convincing fashion.  I'd love to hear from anybody who can shed light on the keys to the large margin of victory for CMS..."

Last night's game was an illustration of how good the Stag defense really is. Betty, Mills, and Kostic had no impact on the game last night. They were frustrated the whole night. The first half was a typical CMS vs. OXY contest. Both teams played tremendous defense, and scored on almost every posession. The Stags offense was the best I've seen it in the conference this year. The Stags scored on 7 of it's first 8 possessions. The Stag guards took every opportunity to take the ball to the hoop, and render fouls from the OXY big men. Betty had two fouls in the first 6 minutes of the game. With bad foul shooting from the stags, and several offensive rebounds from OXY, the game easily could have had the stags up by 10 at halftime. The Stags shot 6-15 from the foul line in the first half, and gave up 7 offensive rebounds.
The second half started off with a meeting at half court with Coach Newheisal and Coach Scalmanini that I would later find out had to due with Connor Whitman. I guess Whitman had been running his mouth the whole game, and later would I find out had to deal with Coach Scalmanini. Whitman supposedly ran his mouth the whole game, and with that fueled the Stag defense to a 16-2 run to start the second half. The tigers went almost 8 minutes without a bucket in the second half, and within the 12:00 minute mark found themselves down 18 pts. The Stag defense did a great job of rebounding, holding the tigers to 1 shot a possession. The tigers made a quick run late in the second half with a barage of 3's, and timely turnovers, but the Stags held strong, and finished them off. The stags shot 12-14 from the free throw line to end the game.
It was a great game with a lot of emotion. The Stags were just a better team tonight, and showed that regardless of how small the gym is, it's hard to win in DUCEY!! Next up Redlands, and we owe them!!!

[Pat Coleman]

Whose house?  Yeah, the place is about as big as my house, but I bet there are more people at my house right now than were at the game.

First I am going to start of with Tigersports. I don't know if you were at the game, and I am thinking you were probably not. So I am going to shed some light into that little dark tunnel you call your life. Probably the reason why there wasn't very many people at the game last night was due to the death of one of our football players named William Wagner who died at the age of 20 the night before. Here's whats on the Mckenna website.

"William died in the early morning hours at Doctors Hospital Montclair, where he was taken by paramedics after collapsing in his room. According to the San Bernardino County Coroner's Office, his death was the result of a cerebral aneurysm."

Sorry to hear the bad news.

I understand you're grieving, but let's not lash out at another poster.

[tigersports]

I was not at the game and had no idea about the tragedy.  Obviously my condolences to the community and, of course the players's parents, since no parent should ever have to bury a child. 

Pat, thanks for having my back, as I try not make my sour grapes personal, especially from my dark tunnel.

I also had no idea about how many people were at the game or why -- I was going on past experience in Oxy-CMS games at that place, games in which they were lucky to attract friends and family.  I just found it amusing (while in the throes of being pissed that Oxy got killed by that bunch) that it was referred to as "our house," when that term is usually reserved for tough places to play for reasons other than the quality of opposition -- places like Rush, Courier or the old hangar at CLU.