MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DIIIghetto]

I actually think that the SCIAC schools should look long and hard at a DIV option.  I confess to not knowing the parameters of such a division but assume that it would be comprised of smaller schools, either with a liberal arts bent or at least have some consistencies across their academic philosophies. 

We just aren't currently set up to compete athletically against folks in DIII.  Pomona will never be where Amherst or Williams are.  Oxy BB has to me been an anomaly.  Someone emailed me a while back who was familiar with the program that the school at Oxy provides under $20k per year for the team outside of its head coach's salary and that the head coach himself raises the rest.   Kudos to them for finding a way around the budgetary constraints the school places on them.  To compete nationally in basketball I think you need a budget along the lines of $50k+.  From the stats someone posted a while ago here, I don't think SCIAC schools are going to get there absent other herculean efforts by coaches.  Obviously money isn't everything and there are undoubtedly schools that are able to be successful with relatively small budgets.  I would seriously doubt, however, that any school at the DIII level can sustain success - on a national level - without having the right budget and administrative support. 

For that reason I think we should look long and hard at a DIV option.   Of course, it will be interesting to follow this discussion down because I look at a school like Wooster, also a liberal arts school similar in size and stature to several SCIAC schools, and think that they would never want to leave - having found a way to be so successful at the DIII level. 

[David Collinge]

For that reason I think we should look long and hard at a DIV option.   Of course, it will be interesting to follow this discussion down because I look at a school like Wooster, also a liberal arts school similar in size and stature to several SCIAC schools, and think that they would never want to leave - having found a way to be so successful at the DIII level. 

Wooster is one of the schools leading the push for a D4, from all that I can tell.

[Browneagle64]

All this talk about a possible D4 or Regional rankings is taking away the beauty of this weeks upcoming games. With such much on the line for teams like Cal Lu and Oxy, I would have expected each poster shedding more insight and adding hype to such a good match that will go on at the Rock tomorrow.

Will the purple pit people join their team tomorrow night? Will Oxy end the kingmens dream at being #1 in the SCIAC.?Will Whitman and Betty combine to be the top players against this decent defense? Will Cal Lu's guards handle their jobs well? Will Oxy's bench contribute to the game? Will the game end in a massacre in favor of the Men in orange and black?

Just asking for some insight.

[Pat Coleman]

All this talk about a possible D4 or Regional rankings is taking away the beauty of this weeks upcoming games. With such much on the line for teams like Cal Lu and Oxy, I would have expected each poster shedding more insight and adding hype to such a good match that will go on at the Rock tomorrow.

Isn't the regional rankings something that's on the line?

With such a complaint from you about lack of insight, I didn't see anything but questions from you.

[sciac_is_fun]

here's some hype for ya:

prediction: CLU 62 Oxy 60
CLU will keep it close in the first half, and Knudsen will get hot in the third quarter.  Oxy will fight back and we'll have a see-saw battle until Innis/Acerboni puts in a dagger to win it.  CLU will ride the momentum into the pomona schools, win both games there and finish the conference season with one loss.  With the motivating cry, "Who needs next year!?," CLU will ride the wave of their young talent through the tournament all the way to the Final 4, where they will meet Wheaton.  In an epic battle witnessed by diehardfan, who flies in for the unlikely matchup, CLU goes down in quadruple overtime, 111-110.  The following year they are the first west coast team to rank in the top 5 in the preseason rankings, though the anti-west coast bias prevents them from entering the number 1 slot they so clearly deserve... 

[Pat Coleman]

Actually, in your admittedly outlandish hypothetical, they would probably be the preseason No. 1 since they have only one senior starter.

[Gregory Sager]

here's some hype for ya:

prediction: CLU 62 Oxy 60
CLU will keep it close in the first half, and Knudsen will get hot in the third quarter.  Oxy will fight back and we'll have a see-saw battle until Innis/Acerboni puts in a dagger to win it.  CLU will ride the momentum into the pomona schools, win both games there and finish the conference season with one loss.  With the motivating cry, "Who needs next year!?," CLU will ride the wave of their young talent through the tournament all the way to the Final 4, where they will meet Wheaton.  In an epic battle witnessed by diehardfan, who flies in for the unlikely matchup, CLU goes down in quadruple overtime, 111-110.  The following year they are the first west coast team to rank in the top 5 in the preseason rankings, though the anti-west coast bias prevents them from entering the number 1 slot they so clearly deserve... 

Looks to me like somebody's trolling for some cookies.

[diehardfan]

Actually, in your admittedly outlandish hypothetical, they would probably be the preseason No. 1 since they have only one senior starter.

Well, outlandish except for that part where Wheaton is in the Final Four and I'm there.

Looks to me like somebody's trolling for some cookies.

Like that's never happened before.

Hmm, I don't think I've ever given any one in the SCIAC cookies.  Maybe I should correct that Saturday, as Jordis, OxyBob and tigersports will all be there! Maybe it'll even coax some of the Oxy posters I haven't met out of the woodwork....

[Browneagle64]

Thank you SCIAC,

I think i should have asked who "do you guys" think will win the game. IMHO, i always enjoy worrying about one game at a time. I hate thinking about playoffs or the possibilities of what might happen when we still have big games like the one tonight with Cal Lu and Oxy. I hope that all of you guys that head to the rock tonight enjoy a hard faught game.

[Browneagle64]

Any diehardfan cookies will be appreciated and accepted tonight at the Rock from the Purple people. I am sure that their big loss tonight will have their fans seeking comfort and some happiness after watching their Kingmens give up the game to Oxy.

[diehardfan]

Any diehardfan cookies will be appreciated and accepted tonight at the Rock from the Purple people. I am sure that their big loss tonight will have their fans seeking comfort and some happiness after watching their Kingmens give up the game to Oxy.

I wish I could. Unfortunately, I will be spending my Valentines Day with my boss, in airports, on my way to a meeting tomorrow in Tuscon. 

[sciac_is_fun]

Actually, in your admittedly outlandish hypothetical, they would probably be the preseason No. 1 since they have only one senior starter.

Actually, they don't have any senior starters.  Senior Bush started early in the year, but freshman Knudsen has filled that role since before the conference season started.  Bush is usually first or second off the bench, however.  He is the only senior that plays regularly.

[sciac_is_fun]

Article about the big game in the Ventura County Star this morning (not sure if it was in the paper or only online...)

http://www.clusports.com/news/3425/

[diehardfan]

Well; I'm happy to see Oxy above Loras in the regional rankings... albeit still low. I am still worried about the ability of a SCIAC team to get a Pool C bid... or any hosting nod for that matter.   I guess we'll just see!

[Gray Fox]

A new look to the SCIAC website.

http://www.thesciac.org/landing/index