MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Sabretooth Tiger]

Who are the Bearcats?  There be Pirates in these Waters

oops, my bad.   

Apologies to Buc nation, the differential stands, the bad pun does not.

cheers

[bucs77]

The post was by me not Sabertooth,
     But I was trying to come up with tough non conference for QOWI.  If we want to look at weak teams we can say Whitworth against Caltech and UC Santa Cruz twice maybe include Whittier but I read a few posts ago that they are better than their record and by staying with OXY last night they probably are.  As for OXY obviously a few teams in league and then I will say La Sierra but having not seen them play I can't really say if they are weak enoguh to be on the list.

OXYBOB,
I know the QOWI is correct and in place for a good reason but I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what is the best strategy in scheduling for a season.  You obviously can't control league scheduling, but is it better to schedule strong teams from other leagues and maybe not in region games or would it be better to play whoever you can in region like Santa Cruz or Caltech?

[bucs77]

I don't think we can see eye to eye because of our Karma being exactly opposite either

[bucs77]

Also SCIAC followers,
       Don't really know what the situation is right now in finding a new coach for Redlands but in your search you should definately consider a guy named Rodney Wecker.  He is the assistant to Coach Hayford at Whitworth and actually won the AFLAC assistant coach of the year award a couple years ago.  In talking with some of the seniors on this years team there is no one who knows more about basketball and small college basketball especially than Rodney.  He is a great players coach and really seemes to be passionate about what he does.  Just my 2 cents. 

[DIIIghetto]

Whitworth fans, I get to come back to my rant a while ago.  As great as your season was, I feel bad for your players by what the coaching staff did to them this year.  They made not one, but TWO trips to UC Santa Cruz.  Not to mention playing Cal Tech.  Those kids were good enough to replace those 3 games with good teams that actually help their ranking.  I think the coaching staff should have not been as concerned with what seemed pretty obvious to me (trying to preserve the secondary bid in the event that UPS once again walked away with the crown).  My guess is Whitworth's coaches figured out that had they not lost to Oxy and PP last year,  they would have had a great shot at getting the tourney nod that Oxy got last year.  Maybe that is sound reasoning.  But with so many solid guards and upperclassmen back, I would have had more confidence in my players. 

A healthy and rested Betty in Rush Gym will be trouble IF the Pirates beat LC.

[Browneagle64]

A healthy Betty, Pumped Up Whitman, eager to play Oxy Ballers, the Black hole student/Alumni section going crazy, old farts like Oxybob, Tooth and Tigersports gasping for air as they see the score in favor of the Men in orange and Black taking care of business at the Rock; what a long flight home for that NWC team.

[NWCer]

Ghetto, can't argue with your critique on Whitworth's scheduling.  As I pointed out in an earlier post, we're also not proud of our dominant team of the past 3 years going down to play Whittier, La Verne, and Chapman this year, but I still like LC or Whitworth over Oxy, regardless of location, although I know it would be tough to go to the "southland" to get it, the game could go either way.

And thank you Bucs77 for throwing out the Whitworth assistant for the Redlands gig to take some light off our guy at Pacific, we don't want to lose him.  I don't know a whole lot about this Wecker guy, but Whitworth is consistently good, so I'm sure he either had something to do with it or is learning a hell of a lot.

[bbaddict]

Just to set the record straight -- Rodney Wecker is Co-coach for the Pirates, not an Assistant, so why would he want to go to Redlands when he can coach the talent at Whitworth?  I know some people think the world ends at the CA borders (kind of like Texans) but some people prefer to live where there's less people, affordable real estate, less traffic and clean air.

As for either LC or WW going to play at Oxy, they'll probably get shipped off to Wisconsin or some other place requiring a flight through Salt Lake City & a long bus ride place in the midwest.  They should be so lucky as to fly to LA for a game.  But my guess is that both Oxy and the NWC champ will get sent to the place described as "it's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there!"

Go Bucs!

P.S.  Oxy fans -- LC is orange, too!  FYI

[tigersports]

Let's have Oxy play LC's football team.

[Gregory Sager]

As for either LC or WW going to play at Oxy, they'll probably get shipped off to Wisconsin or some other place requiring a flight through Salt Lake City & a long bus ride place in the midwest.  They should be so lucky as to fly to LA for a game.  But my guess is that both Oxy and the NWC champ will get sent to the place described as "it's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there!"

My early guess is this:

Whitworth or L&C @ Oxy on Thursday night

winner @ UWSP on Saturday night

Stevens Point, WI is hardly the end of the world. It even has an airport, negating the need for the West Coast team to bus their way in from Madison or the Twin Cities.

Bucs77, non-conference scheduling is an absolutely vital consideration for any program that looks upon itself as a postseason contender -- and Whitworth is a strong enough program that the Pirates should always be in that category as long as Hayford is there. NWC and SCIAC teams have some logistical problems to sort out with their non-conference scheduling that other conferences in more D3-populous areas don't share, but it's still possible to construct a non-conference sked that is tailored to the primary criteria (QOWI, regional win pct., etc.) and also challenges the team to play well. I just don't see any reason for a team with March Madness aspirations to make a trip down to SoCal to play the likes of Caltech or UCSC. Those games are regional wins, yes, but they're QOWI-damaging, and they do absolutely nothing to make your team better in terms of being pushed by the competition.

If I'm going to the Golden State on my snowbird trip, and I think my team has a shot at a D3 tourney bid that year, I'm either gonna go the Wooster route and play a GSAC team or two that'll push my guys without hurting their D3 tourney credentials if the game's a loss, or else I'm gonna schedule top-half-of-the-SCIAC teams.

[Greek Tragedy]

But my guess is that both Oxy and the NWC champ will get sent to the place described as "it's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there!"

I think that's what Point and Lawrence were saying when we came to UPS a couple of years ago for the sectional! lol 

[Gray Fox]

dhf,

If you like good passing, I hope you have a chance to see Mississippi College.

The ASC tournament has a FREE Videocast.  Check out the address on the ASC board.

I'm posting this just before the MC / McMurry game on Saturday.  And I am assuming they will be playing tomorrow against Hardin Simmons (who just won the first game).

[sciacguru]

UNOFFICIAL ALL-SCIAC

MVP - Betty

1st Team
Knowles
Whitman
Mazarei
Maceira
Inniss
Meier

2nd Team
Fanning
Mills
Miller
McLean
Reynolds
Markus

[diehardfan]

New Poll! New Poll! New Poll!
I wanted to make it a poll that would give us who we thought was the best player, not necessarily a prediction of who will win.

The stats were the most recent cumulative stats for each player as found on www.thesciac.org.

[nwhoops1903]

Hey SCIACers, WW won their conf tourney tonight against the 4th best region team, Lewis and Clark.  I am thinking and hoping that Oxy might be catching a flight next week, here's why:

The five primary criteria listed in the D3 men's basketball championship handbook that are used for selection and seeding purposes are:

* regional winning percentage
* regional Quality of Wins Index
* in-region record against ranked teams
* in-region record head-to-head
* in-region record against common opponents

Oxy and WW didn't play each other.  As for the other 4 criteria, WW wins 3 of 4.  Tonights win against LC will help their QOWI as well, whereas Oxy's 2OT win at Whittier can't win any hearts or help their QOWI.

Have a nice evening.  Lets talk Tuesday.