MBB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[nwhoops1903]

Point well taken.  I just hate the "here you go...just kidding" routine of the NCAA.

it is laughable..just leaves some team somewhere else crying.  It will improve.

[LogShow]

Oh, I've read your other posts, Logs, on this site and others.  From it I've determined that you're a closet SCIAC fan!  First, UPS then anyone SCIAC!  Am I right?

And you can ding my karma all you want!  Having lots of karma isn't worth giving up being right!

The real order if you are interested is UPS, NWC, SCIAC.  I fully support WW in their run...I just really don't like the way the NCAA handles things.  I do feel bad for Oxy because this has happened to them two years in a row.

Also, I don't need to drop your karma to feel good about myself.  I got all the satisfaction I needed last Thursday night when Willamette's 20 drunken fans sat with dejected looks on their faces realizing that not only was their season over, but a wicked hangover was about to set in.

[nwhoops1903]

Oh, I've read your other posts, Logs, on this site and others.  From it I've determined that you're a closet SCIAC fan!  First, UPS then anyone SCIAC!  Am I right?

Closet SCIAC, now that's funny.  Logshow, the reality is that had you won Sat, OXY would have been hosting not UPS.  WW finally got some just rewards for all the Spokane bashing overthe years and sports.

[LogShow]

Oh, I've read your other posts, Logs, on this site and others.  From it I've determined that you're a closet SCIAC fan!  First, UPS then anyone SCIAC!  Am I right?

Closet SCIAC, now that's funny.  Logshow, the reality is that had you won Sat, OXY would have been hosting not UPS.  WW finally got some just rewards for all the Spokane bashing overthe years and sports.

Theres no doubt about it.  If UPS would have won, there was no chance that they would host, because they definately did not deserve it.  WW does deserve some reward for their strong finish.

It really just comes back to the frustration at the NCAA, who has a real conflict of interest of putting together the best possible bracket, when they try to save money with geographic proximity.

[bbaddict]

I love conspiracy theories . . . thanks OxyBob!

[nwhoops1903]

I'll put on my tin foil conspiracy theory hat and tell you why Chapman didn't make the tourney: The tournament is designed to give Amherst the best possible chance of getting into the Final Four. By leaving out Chapman and taking Moravian as a Pool B, the selection committee was able to give Amherst a first round bye, and then have the Lord Jeffs play the winner of Moravian-John Jay, which is not exactly a marquee match-up. Assuming it wins that game, Amherst then plays the survivor of Richard Stockton, Immaculata, Nazareth and Rhode Island College, none of which are ranked in the D3hoops Top 25, thereby essentially putting Amherst in the sectionals without really having to exert itself.

Farewell for now from the grassy knoll.

OxyBob

Good work there.  I like it.  Amherst is controlled by Sith Lords as well, hey it's what I hear.  Sue me.

[David Collinge]

I'll put on my tin foil conspiracy theory hat and tell you why Chapman didn't make the tourney: The tournament is designed to give Amherst the best possible chance of getting into the Final Four. By leaving out Chapman and taking Moravian as a Pool B, the selection committee was able to give Amherst a first round bye, and then have the Lord Jeffs play the winner of Moravian-John Jay, which is not exactly a marquee match-up. Assuming it wins that game, Amherst then plays the survivor of Richard Stockton, Immaculata, Nazareth and Rhode Island College, none of which are ranked in the D3hoops Top 25, thereby essentially putting Amherst in the sectionals without really having to exert itself.

Farewell for now from the grassy knoll.

OxyBob

Nonsense.  I don't know how you can say that the NCAA designs the brackets to ensure that Amherst gets to Salem nearly every year.  You should need no further proof than the fact that Amherst actually succeeds in reaching Salem nearly every year.  If the NCAA were really trying to rig it in Amherst's favor, the Lord Jeffs would end up losing in an incarnation of the ECAC tournament held on some barge drifting around Lake Michigan.

[DIIIghetto]

DIII powers,

What are the chances that the Committee reverses its decision on that 1st round game against SCIAC schools?  Wasn't their an uproar last year when Oxy was sent out to MC because originally MC was slated to play a conference school?  That uproar lead to a subsequent re-scheduling to avoid that first round conference match up. 

Why not send Whitworth down to So Cal for the game Thursday then keep them around for a Saturday game if needed?  Wasn't the SCIAC ranked higher regionally anyway? 

This seems like a GREAT opportunity for the Committee to move fast and correct a mistake - yet another mistake that involves the SCIAC. 

How about it folks, a SCIAC hosted 1st & 2nd round, let's get after this.

[tigersports]

I think it's payback for leaving WW out of the FB playoffs.  How can they do this to the same team twice in consecutive years?

[nwhoops1903]

Oxy or SCIAC, despite better regional ranking, could not have been awarded 2 home games after losing their Conf. Tourney.  Coming to WW, who won NWC outright and the NWC tourney is the right move.  OXY wiill get their rematch vs PP  This all seems so ridiculously simple and justifiable.  I am so impressed with the committee for making a good choice and maintaining their one team flies rule.

SCIAC basically gets a redo of their Conf. Tourney and Oxy must now prove they are legit regionally by winning Thu.

[nwhoops1903]

I think it's payback for leaving WW out of the FB playoffs.  How can they do this to the same team twice in consecutive years?

Debatable but impossible.  Didn't happen.  Makes for good talk.

[old_hooper]

They could still do it where Whitworth comes down and play on Friday against PP and the winner play on Saturday.  A little different format but seems like a reasonable thing to do and avoid the SCIAC teams playing each other in the first round.  Gotta feel bad for Chapman and Cal Lu.

[DIIIghetto]

Whitworth fans justifiably feel great - especially looking at their away record.

What they miss is that (a) last year Oxy got screwed due to a 'policy' of trying to avoid interconference games in the first round and  (b) our conference had the higher regional rankings.  Add to those two compelling reasons for why the SCIAC should host this weekend the well-known fact that the Committee shafted the SCIAC last year after having announced the brackets, changing the 1st round matchup to pit the SCIAC against the strongest team in the bracket, and you have all you need to tell the folks from Spokane to book their tickets to LA. 

[nwhoops1903]

Oxy made their own bed by losing a game they should have won.  No offense to PP but that's the fact and they even get a home game to make it up.  Cal Lu lost there way out of the tournament.  However, had Oxy won the SCIAC tourney, Cal Lu would have likely gotten the pool C Oxy recieved.  Does Whitworth benefit from all this, absolutely.  Did WW win its Conf reg and tourney outright?  Yep.  Does Oxy deserve to get a pass?  Nope.

As for last year, WW could make a case for having to go where they went as well.  But last year is last year and football and volleyball and girls basketball seedings that were odd...It all doesn't matter cause each sport, each year doesn't effect the other.

[DIIIghetto]

Good points NW.  No doubt all this could have turned out differently. 

Question I have looking at Whitworth's roster is whether the NCAA tournament conflicts with any of its national juco tournament dates (http://www.njcaabbtrny.org/mod/index.htm)?

I mean, Whitworth is a good school,was the pressure from UPS winning so much that they had to go to the point where they brought in 6 junior college players?  Wow.  That is more juco kids than Gonzaga and Washington State combined.