D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA

[hopefan]

FCnews of SLIAC room fame is not sure, but seems to imply that the Fontbonne game with Concordia Seminary counts  -  he notes that the school does have undergrads (tho he doesn't say whether the team is populated with underlings or grad students), and that the game with Concordia next year IS listed as an exhibition as the SLIAC is growing by 2 more teams and there is limited room for non conference games.

[Warren Thompson]

Concordia Seminary has undergraduates? Hmmmm .... 

Not to pick a nit, but a quick search of the Concordia Web-site shows only graduate degree programs, from M.Div to D.Min to MA to PhD. Also, they have a graduate deaconess program for women; the LCMS does not ordain the ladies.

[hopefan]

hmmmm ... maybe my source (FCnews, are you out there?), isn't as good of a source as he claims to be.... I'll copy your remark in the SLIAC room.....

[Gregory Sager]

WT: I really don't know the answer to your question. If I had to guess, I'd probably say it was an exhibition game. I think there are a couple of schools in the "other" category that are not 4-year colleges--e.g. Logan Chiropractic.

Logan Chiropractic is a club team. They have seven guys in uniform, and one of them doubles as a player-coach.

The SLIAC has a tradition of really unorthodox scheduling. Slating games against such weird entities (in basketball teams, natch ) that're located around the Gateway City as Logan Chiropractic, Concordia Seminary, and St. Louis College of Pharmacy goes back for as long as the SLIAC has been a D3 league, and for all I know it goes back further than that. One of these days we're going to see a SLIAC program schedule a game against Ozzie Smith's School of Gymnastics, or the Anheuser-Busch College of Brewmastery. 

For a league that sits pretty close to rock-bottom in terms of D3 conference power rankings, you'd think that the SLIAC's members would be trying to jettison those nutty contests in an effort to make themselves collectively better.

[Warren Thompson]

GS:

FWIW: Concordia Seminary players, grad students all [?], likely played collegiate ball at this or that four-year venue, a good many of them at one of the thousand or so Concordias in the LCMS university system. They could probably take down the Logan Spine Adjustors with little difficulty. 

[Gregory Sager]

I'm not as sanguine as you are about Concordia Seminary's competence on the hardwood, Warren. Look at what happened when they faced Fontbonne. The Griffins entered the game 0-5 -- and an 0-5 SLIAC team is hardly at what I'd call the pinnacle of the college basketball world. And yet those lowly Griffins beat Concordia Seminary by twenty points. Not exactly a good advertisement for those particular Missouri Synod grad students, eh?

Perhaps all of the former stars of the various Concordias convert to the ELCA after their undergraduate days. 

[hopefan]

I agree Greg, regarding the SLIAC scheduling - just in the back of your mind, don't link Maryville in with that silliness - over the past few years, they have improved their schedule to one as solid as any midwest club could play - that is specificly why I have "adopted" them and see many of their games.  Hopefully that solid schedule will play dividends and help them to a conference title as it did two years ago.
Incidently, FCnews defence of the practice of scheduling the St Louis this and thats of the world was simply "what difference does it make".  I'm just not gonna fight over ther this year - it's hopeless, and too frustrating.
             and before you look it up, solid Maryville scheduling  means Hanover, Transy, McKendree, Manchester, DePauw (if they had beaten Manchester), Mo Baptist , My St Joes and D2 No Georgia in the Bahamas, and Wash u.  SLIAC to be member Lincoln Christian was the only lightweight.

[Gregory Sager]

Don't worry, Hopefan. I'm well aware that Maryville (MO) is an exception among SLIAC teams when it comes to scheduling. And I'd certainly include Webster as an exception as well; the Gorloks play in that HCAC/SLIAC classic every season, plus they have a home-and-away contract with Wash U that's been going on for several years. Plus, on top of that, they make it a point to get in a game against a CCIW team or two every year. In fact, they've even played a D1 team (Tennessee-Martin) this season.

No SLIAC team can be faulted for playing Lincoln Christian. As you noted, LCC is on its way into the league, and each of the eight current members are playing the Preachers as part of a sort of "getting to know you" pre-membership tour of the league. Likewise, six of the eight SLIAC teams are facing future member Eureka this season as well.

[Warren Thompson]

Perhaps all of the former stars of the various Concordias convert to the ELCA after their undergraduate days. 

Well, it's either that ... or those seminarians who do play spend most of their time
at practice mentally running through Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Latin, and German
vocables and conjugations.

[Coach C]

I am just wondering if the Logan Chiropratic team can get me an adjustment.  My neck is killing me.

C

[Rhodes Scholar]

Scores from 12/6

Alma 103, Marygrove (USCAA) 79
Azusa Pacific (NAIA 1) 89, Occidental 71
Cal Lutheran 88, West Coast Baptist (USCAA) 38
Calvin 69, Aquinas (NAIA 2) 52
Dordt (NAIA 2) 90, Martin Luther 48
Fontbonne 82, St. Louis Christian (NCCAA) 53
George Fox 87, Corban (NAIA 2) 82
LaGrange 95, Atlanta Christian (NCCAA) 76
Loras 81, Ashford (NAIA 2) 69
North Central 87, Illinois Tech (NAIA 1) 59
Shenandoah 102, Southern Virginia (USCAA) 87
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (D1) 86, Trinity, TX 62
Vorhees (NAIA 1) 67, Methodist 59
Wittenberg 65, Cedarville (NAIA 2) 59

Missing scores:

Emmaus Bible @ Dubuque
Principia @ Lincoln Christian
Dana @ Nebraska Wesleyan

[hopefan]

some  missing scores :

Polytechnic  72   Pratt  (other)  48
Dubuque  90  Emmaus Bible (NCCAA-D2)  63
Lincoln Christian  (NCCAA-D2)  72   Principia  67
Dana  (NAIA-D2)  74    Nebraska Wesleyan  70
Hope  79   Trinity Christian  NAIA-D2   60
Lyndon St  (NAIA-D2)  77   Daniel Webster  53
Mass College  80  St Joes Vt  (NAIA - D2)  62
Lamar  (D1)  97   Louisiana  68
Biola  (NAIA-D1)   81    Whittier  69

[smedindy]

Akron (D-1) 123, Denison 52.

Ouch, babe.

[Rhodes Scholar]

Scores from 12/7

Albion 65, Spring Arbor (NAIA 2) 64
Bethany Lutheran 82, Waldorf (NAIA 2) 78 (OT)
Indiana, PA (D2) 81, Juniata 79
Lewis and Clark 61, Evergreen (NAIA 2) 60
Mary Washington 93, Lancaster Bible (NCCAA) 46
Maryville, TN 84, King, TN (NAIA 2) 58
Susquehanna 76, Penn Tech (other) 71

[Warren Thompson]

Rhodes:

In basketball, Penn Tech (Williamsport PA) competes in the Penn State University Athletic Conference. In certain other sports, it has different conference affiliations.

For additional information, go to

http://www.pct.edu/athletics/conferences.htm

They don't seem to be a member of any national organization.